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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Top 5 Players: Wide Receiver Reply with quote

So this thread is pretty self explanatory. Who are your top 5 rated wide receivers (for the Ravens) that you like in this draft (in order) and why?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Mike Williams -- I think he has all the tools. Plus size, plus hands, solid route running, good enough speed. Has shown to step up in big situations. #1 WR in the draft IMO.

2. Corey Davis -- Level of competition concerns me a little but overall he has everything you want in a WR. Reminds me of TO in his playing style. Very close with Mike Williams for #1 WR in the draft.

3. Zay Jones -- This is probably a shocker to some. I have him over John Ross. I like Ross, don't get me wrong, but Ross' knee injuries scare me as does his frame a bit. Zay Jones has reliable hands, great route running, and is an all around solid WR. Play style reminds me of Antonio Brown.

4. John Ross -- Mostly because after Ross, I think there's a drop off in WR talent. Ross is electrifying, can do it all and is a threat to go to the house on any given play.

5. JuJu Smith-Schuster -- Has quite a bit of potential but his consistency scares me. Is he Anquan Boldin or is he Arrelious Benn?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1A) Mike Williams- Reminds me of A.J Green with a little less talent, but still would be legitimate #1. I feel he will be the best receiver in the draft by far and hope he falls to 16.

1B) John Ross- I love the speed and the athleticism. A better version of Tavon Austin. Is more of a slot receiver then a deep ball guy and could immediately help in the return game.

3) Corey Davis- Has been compared to T.O. Puts up huge numbers and is a physical type receiver the ravens are looking for. I have concerns over the the talent of DB's he was playing against in college.

4) Cooper Kupp- Been a huge Kupp fan for a while now. Not in the first round, but hes a guy Id like in the second if ravens dont get a WR in the first. Great work ethic, good hands and size. Will be a very good player in NFL.

5) JuJu Smith-Schuster- I like his size and physical play. Has been compared to Anquan Boldin ..which is good right? Not the fastest guy in the world but the ravens already have speed at the position with Perriman and Wallace.


Overall ID be thrilled if either Williams/Davis/Ross are picked in the first round, or Kupp and Smith-Schuster are picked in the second round.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Mike Williams
2. Corey Davis
3. JuJu Smith-Schuster
4. John Ross
5. Zay Jones
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My rating mostly illustrates how I fear a certain player may hold up in the NFL. I was very very wrong about DeSean Jackson, but Ross is slipping out of the top 5.

1) Corey Davis - checks the boxes
2) Mike Williams - I have concerns related to his injury, and how he too often have to fight with DB's to be able to catch the ball. That could either leads to undercutting the route or OPI in the NFL.
3) Cooper Kupp - Liked him for a very long time. Also feel like he is a reliable player Flacco could have great chemistry with
4) Zay Jones - Intriguing skill set an able to make the outstanding catches
5) Ryan Switzer - Really like this guy as the player Campanaro should have been
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Mike Williams
2. Corey Davis
3. John Ross
4. Zay Jones
5. Carlos Henderson

Williams isn't a Julio or AJ elite obviously, but he is the clear cut #1 in my opinion. Davis and Ross are almost equal to me if I were to be grading them. Zay Jones just looks really smooth. Carlos Henderson is a personal fave who I think may go a lot higher than people think. He's going to contribute immediately as a special teamer and is a guy you can get creative with.

Smith-Schuster is the definition of a boom or bust guy. Like above me said, is he Arellious Benn or Anquan Boldin? I don't totally hate him as a prospect because the potential is there but I don't feel confident enough about him any higher than mid-late 3rd. I see the intrigue but he worries me. Kupp is just okay to me - I'm not anywhere near as high on him as I thought I would be when I starting seeing the hype around him when the draft process first started.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've kinda soured on Carlos Henderson after reading this about him in the Draft subforum

CalhounLambeau wrote:
There is a lot of Carlos Henderson hype out there. I'm not that big of a fan. He makes plays with the ball in his hands and all of that and I get it. He's a high-cut guy, not very bouncy. Guy's can turn it around, but he came into LA Tech not knowing how to work, etc. He regularly does the wrong things on the field. The coaches say he still has a long way to go. I worry about how he'll handle the mental side of it. Not sure how bright he is. I'm still learning about the guy but he seems to have a little Cordarrelle Petterson to him. If the dude had a loose, bouncy lower body like Golden Tate I would like him more than I do right now. High-cut skill position dudes who are physical get hurt a lot. Day three guy for me.


Couple that seeming inability to learn plays correctly (and therefore run the wrong routes) with the Ravens looong history of not being able to develop WRs, and that is setting up a guy like Henderson to bust IMO
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Corey Davis
2) Mike Williams
3) John Ross
4) Curtis Samuel
5) Zay Jones

6) Cooper Kupp
7) Juju Smith-Schuster

I love Corey Davis. I think he will develop into a solid #1. He has the "it" factor. Level of competition is a concern but he still produced even after his opponents were well aware of his presence. Surprisingly good knee bend and drops his posterior very well driving into his cuts. I think he'll only get better.

Mike Williams. Reminds me a lot of a guy DiamondBull was lobbying for a few years back, Alston Jeffery. I think he'll be better than Alshon. He plays faster.

John Ross. Cuts incredibly well for a speed receiver. DeSean Jackson-type (who played for Mornhinweg in Philly). Another one who has "it".

Curtis Samuel - Tough kid from Brooklyn. Played running back as well (which I like as he won't go down with simple arm tackles). Dangerous in the open field. If he's even, he's leavin'. Nobody catches him from behind. Like the others rated above him, catches the ball with his hands (not a body catcher, i.e. Will Fuller). Really digs into his routes. May not be there at #47.

Zay Jones - Checked off all the boxes in the pre-draft process. Was a man amongst boys in the Senior Bowl. Exceeded expectations at the Combine (4.45 forty). Seems to be improving every week.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Corey Davis: I see a poor mans Terrel Owens or a rich mans Jordan Matthews from a few years back. He has the same route running ability as Matthews, only with physicality in how he plays the game. Davis is the complete package as a route runner, redzone threat, and physical run blocker- easily the best run blocker in this class. I say he's a 1300 yds, 9 tds kind of guy.

2. John Ross: I see a game breaker. His speed is deep, intermediate, and short. I'd worry more about the knee injuries if it weren't for his ability to be an elite deep threat. What happens when you take Derrick Mason and his comeback route and combine it with Mike Wallace's ability to get deep? Ross should be used mainly outside the hash marks. Does that make him limited in how you use him, sure. But Derrick Mason was a one trick pony that consistently did his trick, same with a deep threat like Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace. Not the dominant receiver we want physically but would make a good tandem with Flacco. For a long time we had issues with our receivers finding ways to get open and I believe that is Ross' biggest strength, getting open. I see a 1300 yds, 7 tds kind of guy.

3. Mike Williams: Physical talented wide receiver that should excel at the next level. I see a 1200 yd, 8 tds type of guy. That said he has back concerns. And while knee problems are huge, when dealing with the spine that's the one injury someone can't truly fool around with. One more injury there and his career is over. That being said I still would take the previous two receivers over Williams not considering his neck. I like Williams athleticism and physical ability. The thing I most like about him is how he attacks the ball in the air more often than not. He'll take a beating to make a play for his QB. That said Williams doesn't have that extra trait that I think could turn him into an elite receiver in the NFL. He doesn't have explosive speed, he's not insanely quick, as a big receiver, he's not as imposing and physical as a Mike Evans, and his route running isn't anything to write home about thus his separation will leave something to be desired.

4. Zay Jones: Jones has a knack for getting himself open. Which is a big part of why he broke the receptions record. His route running is good. He catches the ball well with his hands. He has pro roots. Zay definitely doesn't look like a #1 WR talent, but I could see Jones being someone that can have a few 1000 yard campaigns as a reliable #2. Someone that always seems to find a way to get 50-60 yards receiving every game but then has a couple games where he lights a team up with bad corners or that tries to cover him with a zone scheme. I see a 900-1200 yd 6 tds guy.

5a. Cooper Kupp: I can definitely see how Kupp dominated his level. He's a very good route runner with plus size and athleticism. He catches with his hands and can attack the football. He also has been used in the redzone and can make some nice circus grabs. That being said I don't think Kupp is all that physical. He's not going to dominate cornerbacks IMO. Which given his size is almost a waste. I compare Kupp a lot to a former Raven/Bengals wide receiver, TJ Houshmanzedah. They both have size, route running, and can make plays, but lack the physicality that would make them a true go to receiver. Physicality was the difference between a TJ Housh and an Anquan Boldin. I see a 1000 yd 6 td guy.

5b. Carlos Henderson: I just saw an explosive threat in Henderson that couldn't be ignored. The other receivers are definitely more under control as players, but Henderson display excellent shiftiness and more importantly astounding run instincts. I think he's a guy that could get "slept on" and then booms. If I had to select any guy as a sleeper pick, it would be this guy. I really like what I see. I saw the little bit about how he runs the wrong routes now and again, but we've done a lot better with developing receivers in the last few treats vs the previous years, so I'd like to think with a bit more exposure to the position, he could be a dynamic 2nd receiver. Also his return ability puts him in that top 5 as well. I'll say at the next level he'll be a great kick returner and a guy who either is a 700 yd type receiver or an explosive 1100 yd receiver, but gets touchdowns off special teams as well as a solid 4-5 or so tds on offense.

It's a actually quite ironic how this draft class of wide receivers isn't considered to be that great but has Corey Davis (most receiving yards in fbs history), Zay Jones (most receptions in fbs history), and Cooper Kupp (best WR statistically speaking in 'FCS' history)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Corey Davis
2. Mike Williams
3. John Ross
4. Zay Jones
5. Cooper Kupp

Nothing too surprising here. There isn't much separation between the top three for me at all and I would be fine with any of them at 16. Davis leads the group because he's the most versatile in my opinion. Williams is ahead of Ross because of the latter's medical history. Otherwise they would basically be the same. Both filling a more defined role, just at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Jones and Kupp seem like they would be able to come in and immediately offer what Baltimore needs at wide receiver. Reliable possession guys who moves the chains and have tremendous character/instincts. But maybe most importantly needing very little development. The Ravens aren't particularly adept at molding their wide receiver balls of clay.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?
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dcfields wrote:
I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?


Samuel and Smith-Schuster would be next on my list. They're in the same tier as Jones and Kupp, I just like the latter two better in terms of immediate fit and for a top five list. Curtis might take a bit to transition into a full-time receiver. He has things to learn at that position, especially if defenses aren't going to be scrambling to find him all over the field like they had to against Ohio State.

But I agree that his upside and explosiveness is tantalizing. And Samuel catches the ball well enough to feel good about him not being an all-or-nothing player.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dcfields wrote:
I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?

I saw a playmaker for sure. But our team tends to do things very traditionally. We're not going to put Samuel in the same position as other teams to fully utilize him. We're not going to be motioning him around the field to get him in space. He's also in need of development and while I like our coaches, I think because of how traditional our coaches are, I would prefer the WR that needs less direction vs the project. Our WR development has been much better as of late, but I take a guy who can get open with route running after defenses have been planning on stopping him at WR all week vs the guy who is being an offensive joker and waiting to expose the defense with his athleticism. That being said I like Henderson as a project more because he actually plays the position full time (for the most part) and he also has proven to be a great return specialist. So if worst case scenario he busts as a wideout, he can be a potential Jermaine Lewis type guy.

Not a fan of Smith-Schuster. I didn't see someone consistently making plays or giving much effort as a blocker. I just didn't see a point with him. He's not elite in size, speed, route running, nor hands... I think there are plenty of better options out there this year.
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diamondbull424 wrote:
dcfields wrote:
I am the only one that has Curtis Samuel in his top 5. I love him. I see him as an explosive playmaker. What is it about him that you guys don't like?

I saw a playmaker for sure. But our team tends to do things very traditionally. We're not going to put Samuel in the same position as other teams to fully utilize him. We're not going to be motioning him around the field to get him in space. He's also in need of development and while I like our coaches, I think because of how traditional our coaches are, I would prefer the WR that needs less direction vs the project. Our WR development has been much better as of late, but I take a guy who can get open with route running after defenses have been planning on stopping him at WR all week vs the guy who is being an offensive joker and waiting to expose the defense with his athleticism. That being said I like Henderson as a project more because he actually plays the position full time (for the most part) and he also has proven to be a great return specialist. So if worst case scenario he busts as a wideout, he can be a potential Jermaine Lewis type guy.

Not a fan of Smith-Schuster. I didn't see someone consistently making plays or giving much effort as a blocker. I just didn't see a point with him. He's not elite in size, speed, route running, nor hands... I think there are plenty of better options out there this year.


I think the bolded part is some of the most important to have in mind when figuring out, who we actually covet. The tweeners, trixsters just never seem to have our attention. We would never be able to use a Darren Sproles for instance.

Regarding Schuster, I guess I wouldn't mind him in the 3. round, but as you say, I don't see why he should be high on our board.
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I see your points. Samuel reminds me a lot of Pervin Harvin (same college coach). That type of player is more of a "luxury item". The Ravens need someone who's going to develop into a #1, not a "part-time player" albeit a dangerous one. Someone who can play on every down. It would take away from the every down deception of the offense.

One thing I would like to see more of are tunnel screens and bubble screens. Specifically to Perriman. No WR in the league runs them better than Demaryius Thomas. He has the speed are physicality to get beyond the 2nd level. And that's not asking too much from Marty, Bobby Engram and the offense. Designing plays around a Percy Harvin-type would be.
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