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LaserFocus


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Romo retiring Reply with quote

Tony Romo had a terrific career, but he's not a franchise legend for the Cowboys. Staubach and Aikman hold those spots, Romo just struggled in the postseason to make those timely plays HOF QBs normally do. And his case is the perfect example of why we just can't look at a game summary and determine they had a strong game or not. Two career postseason wins, and zero conference title games won't get it done.

Have nothing personal against Romo, he seems like a good guy off the field. But for inexplicable reasons, he wasn't able to translate his regular season success forward.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. He's certainly a franchise legend. He may not be remembered by the rest of the league as much, but he's certainly cemented himself in Cowboys lore.

Despite the lack of post season success, he holds all of the Cowboys passing records. And while that could be chocked up to the era, his name will be harkened back to every time X Future QB threatens one of his individual accomplishments.[/quote]

If Troy Aikman was playing today, he would put up huge numbers as well. Ditto for any of the HOF QBs of the past who played under more difficult conditions to throw the ball. Not saying he won't be fondly remembered, but I don't think the overall fans of a franchise like the Cowboys would possibly rate Romo over Aikman. Fans who were too young to see Aikman will naturally go with Romo.

Context means everything when talking about numbers.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Romo retiring Reply with quote

LaserFocus wrote:
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I respectfully disagree. He's certainly a franchise legend. He may not be remembered by the rest of the league as much, but he's certainly cemented himself in Cowboys lore.

Despite the lack of post season success, he holds all of the Cowboys passing records. And while that could be chocked up to the era, his name will be harkened back to every time X Future QB threatens one of his individual accomplishments.


If Troy Aikman was playing today, he would put up huge numbers as well. Ditto for any of the HOF QBs of the past who played under more difficult conditions to throw the ball. Not saying he won't be fondly remembered, but I don't think the overall fans of a franchise like the Cowboys would possibly rate Romo over Aikman. Fans who were too young to see Aikman will naturally go with Romo.

Context means everything when talking about numbers.


Of course it's best to consider the context of numbers; which is why I noted that Romo's individual team records could be chocked up to era.

I don't know how Aikman would do in today's league. Probably pretty well, but that's not the point I'm making.

I'm not saying anyone should consider Romo better than Aikman or Staubach because of numbers. I'm saying objectively, and as a Cowboys fan, he is a franchise legend.

His career was different from those guys, but he also put his own stamp on Dallas football.

Maybe you have a more precise definition of what a legend is than I do, but in my opinion the older this club and league gets, the more room you have to make for accomplishments.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Houston should go after Jay Cutler now. Not sure what better option there is at this point. That defense is primed to win.


Won't happen. Besides the fact that Cutler is more likely to retire, he wouldn't mesh well with BOB at all. Houston will have to settle for a competition between Savage, Weeden and likely a rookie.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

everlong wrote:
PapaShogun wrote:
Houston should go after Jay Cutler now. Not sure what better option there is at this point. That defense is primed to win.


Besides that he's is likely to retire as well, he won't mesh with BOB.

Houston is SOL and will have to settle for a competition between Savage, an underwhelming veteran and likely a rookie.


Kaep? Probably the best option for each other at this point, even if it isn't a great fit.

This feels weird. I can't help but think Romo ends up playing at some point this year, but with his comments to the contrary... It seems that he doesn't even want to play, regardless of whatever strange gamesmanship is going on.
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If he were truly going to CBS, there would be no reason for the Cowboys to release him. They would put him on the retired list so they could retain his rights.

Something smells fishy.


By releasing him they are allowed to spread the cap hit as a post-June 1 cut and take some of the hit in 2018. Had they moved him to reserved/retired, they would have the full prorated cap hit accelerate onto this years cap only
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Romo retiring Reply with quote

If Troy Aikman was playing today, he would put up huge numbers as well. Ditto for any of the HOF QBs of the past who played under more difficult conditions to throw the ball. Not saying he won't be fondly remembered, but I don't think the overall fans of a franchise like the Cowboys would possibly rate Romo over Aikman. Fans who were too young to see Aikman will naturally go with Romo.

Context means everything when talking about numbers.[/quote]

Of course it's best to consider the context of numbers; which is why I noted that Romo's individual team records could be chocked up to era.

I don't know how Aikman would do in today's league. Probably pretty well, but that's not the point I'm making.

I'm not saying anyone should consider Romo better than Aikman or Staubach because of numbers. I'm saying objectively, and as a Cowboys fan, he is a franchise legend.

His career was different from those guys, but he also put his own stamp on Dallas football.

Maybe you have a more precise definition of what a legend is than I do, but in my opinion the older this club and league gets, the more room you have to make for accomplishments.[/quote]

Postseason accomplishments have to be paramount, because winning is the primary objective of team sports. Dan Marino is the last Dolphins QB to reach a SB, and combined with everything else, makes him a legend.
You can say Romo had an excellent career, and put on stamp on the Cowboys, but the lack of postseason success was glaring. He's more in line with Don Meredith and Danny White, as opposed to Staubach and Aikman. He'll be in the team's ring of honor, fondly remembered, but never a HOF player like #12 and #8.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Romo retiring Reply with quote

LaserFocus wrote:
If Troy Aikman was playing today, he would put up huge numbers as well. Ditto for any of the HOF QBs of the past who played under more difficult conditions to throw the ball. Not saying he won't be fondly remembered, but I don't think the overall fans of a franchise like the Cowboys would possibly rate Romo over Aikman. Fans who were too young to see Aikman will naturally go with Romo.

Context means everything when talking about numbers.


Of course it's best to consider the context of numbers; which is why I noted that Romo's individual team records could be chocked up to era.

I don't know how Aikman would do in today's league. Probably pretty well, but that's not the point I'm making.

I'm not saying anyone should consider Romo better than Aikman or Staubach because of numbers. I'm saying objectively, and as a Cowboys fan, he is a franchise legend.

His career was different from those guys, but he also put his own stamp on Dallas football.

Maybe you have a more precise definition of what a legend is than I do, but in my opinion the older this club and league gets, the more room you have to make for accomplishments.[/quote]

Postseason accomplishments have to be paramount, because winning is the primary objective of team sports. Dan Marino is the last Dolphins QB to reach a SB, and combined with everything else, makes him a legend.
You can say Romo had an excellent career, and put on stamp on the Cowboys, but the lack of postseason success was glaring. He's more in line with Don Meredith and Danny White, as opposed to Staubach and Aikman. He'll be in the team's ring of honor, fondly remembered, but never a HOF player like #12 and #8.[/quote]

Staubach and Aikman are legends...but they played on teams that were INFINITELY better than ANY team Romo ever played on...they also had better coaches...Romo has his flaws and made some bonehead mistakes that he obviously will live with forever....but any real Cowboys fan loves this dude...he was incredible....you brought up context earlier in this thread.....playoff wins and especially SB wins are a TEAM accomplishment...outside of maybe 1-2 seasons...how many years did Romo play on a complete/well coached/SB caliber roster? Honestly....if you're going to compare these players and then bring up the context of Romo's numbers coming in a passing era...then at least make sure you mention that Staubach and Aikman played on STACKED teams with GREAT coaches....Staubach is the only QB in Dallas history that I'd take over Romo...the dude isn't Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees...but he's been as good as anyone in this era outside of those guys... /whiny Romo fan rant
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a fan of the NFL, (and considering my Chargers are not a contender at the moment), I'm honestly pretty disappointed that he's retiring. Watching replacement-level QB play is excruciating (for me, at least), so having one less good QB in a QB-starved league is always a little disappointing.

Seeing him on the Texans—going toe to toe against the Patriots, with a shot to achieve redemption—would have been an awesome storyline.
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A true war daddy. He will be missed.
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This saddens me. I really thought we were going to snag him after all the dust settled. I just wanted one season with a NFL worthy QB to see the damage we could do.

Oh hey ET, haven't seen u in a min brother.


News of this magnitude wakes me from my slumber.

Also, I have time to kill before I start my new gig, and how else would I kill said time?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Romo retiring Reply with quote

be WARE94 wrote:


I'm saying objectively, and as a Cowboys fan, he is a franchise legend.

And nobody can ever take that away from you, enjoy your QB.

But you used the word objectively and objectively, Tony had flaws, often fatal ones that caused him to screw up at the worst moments. That doesn't mean he wasn't talented or a Dallas legend, it just means he wasn't perfect.

And those not-perfect comments shouldn't be a problem for Dallas fans to accept. However, several of the uber- sensitive Romo-fans in this thread pitched a fit at the mere mention of Tony's killer mistakes. They happened. And nobody can ever take those away either. Cool
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cddolphin wrote:
If he were truly going to CBS, there would be no reason for the Cowboys to release him. They would put him on the retired list so they could retain his rights.

Something smells fishy.


By releasing him they are allowed to spread the cap hit as a post-June 1 cut and take some of the hit in 2018. Had they moved him to reserved/retired, they would have the full prorated cap hit accelerate onto this years cap only


Source? The googling I did indicated that the release of a player has the same cap effect as a player retiring.
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nagahide13 wrote:
everlong wrote:
PapaShogun wrote:
Houston should go after Jay Cutler now. Not sure what better option there is at this point. That defense is primed to win.


Besides that he's is likely to retire as well, he won't mesh with BOB.

Houston is SOL and will have to settle for a competition between Savage, an underwhelming veteran and likely a rookie.


Kaep? Probably the best option for each other at this point, even if it isn't a great fit.


Won't be Kaep, for several reasons. We'll just leave it at that.
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///mcompact wrote:
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I like Tony, he's a WI dude who did very well for himself

But Garrett didn't call picks, he called passes (or Tony audibled to passes since the Packers were playing the run)

Tony threw picks and you have no answer except to resort to hamster jokes
Which is you publicly admitting you haven't got a cogent response for why an NFL coach should be afraid to call passes with Tony Romo under center


Dude. GB had no answer for the run in the 1st half. We were up by 23 pts scores to start the 2nd half. Dallas abandoned the run game, plain and simple. Those are the facts. Put the blame on Romo all you want, but it ultimately became a case study in Dallas on how not to close-out a game. Garrett was the coach and called the plays and mismanaged the clock. The next year, his play call duties were yanked (yet again) and Linehan brought in. That was an indictment of how bad Garrett was with play calling.


You were either drunk during the game or didn't really watch it. Sense I believe you box score watched it, I'll have a look at those damning stats of Romo you keep bringing up:

29/48 358yds 2TD/2INT

Gross! Yuck! Impossible for any team to win a game with that stat line. Such a reckless gunslinger. Wait..why the heck was he throwing it 48 times in a game that was all but wrapped up in the first half? That must have been a whole lot of "audibling" out of run plays by Romo. Rolling Eyes


You said something along the lines of "I wish him the best" but so far, you've been doing nothing but throwing shade.

Anyway, go ahead and keep detracting from Romo in this thread. I'm done with that.


*********************RUMOR MILL**************************
Rumor is that CBS is having a Press Conference with Romo at 3pm (cst) today.








Cowboys defense gives up 4 straight TDs in the second half and every body blames Romo.
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cddolphin wrote:
TheGame316 wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
If he were truly going to CBS, there would be no reason for the Cowboys to release him. They would put him on the retired list so they could retain his rights.

Something smells fishy.


By releasing him they are allowed to spread the cap hit as a post-June 1 cut and take some of the hit in 2018. Had they moved him to reserved/retired, they would have the full prorated cap hit accelerate onto this years cap only


Source? The googling I did indicated that the release of a player has the same cap effect as a player retiring.


you can designate a player a post June 1 cut and spread the cap hit over 2 years

It is pretty commonly known - Just google "Post June 1 cut"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/08/romos-release-will-be-a-post-june-1-designation/

How much "googling" did you do?

http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/
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