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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At 33, Tabor, Takk, Watt wouldn't be a huge surprise if they the best players left. Caleb Brantley. Baker.

I really like Meli but he will be taken high and can be a bit timid in run support even though he is a good tackler. Not sure he is what Williams wants.

Seems we are looking at #2 corners so Humphrey, Latt may not be targets.

With this in mind, at 12 an offensive player seems likely if Malik or Jamal aren't there. Maybe even over Jamal. I pretty much love them all. Even Mccaff or Robinson. Caff can work the slot and Robinson could replace Joe. Another receiving threat would go a long way in supporting the QB's at the helm even if we just did draft Corey.

My sleeper would be Cook. If we think Crow may walk, or plan on running it more than Crow can handle alone it'd work out. Would also take pressure off the QB.

Basically any offensive player will help the QB.
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candyman93 wrote:
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I personally really like Njoku and hes one of my main targets if we slide back or move up.


I agree, especially if we draft a QB. Need to give whoever it is weapons around him.


Yeah im goood with Njocku at 12 if we had to. I think he's going to be a stud. Also had an interview on the move the sticks podcast sounds like a good young dude.

Really talented killed the Sparq scoring, but I'd like Bucky Hodges almost just as much.

If we trade down and pick up a 2nd I'm hella good.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brownie man wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
I personally really like Njoku and hes one of my main targets if we slide back or move up.


I agree, especially if we draft a QB. Need to give whoever it is weapons around him.


Yeah im goood with Njocku at 12 if we had to. I think he's going to be a stud. Also had an interview on the move the sticks podcast sounds like a good young dude.

Really talented killed the Sparq scoring, but I'd like Bucky Hodges almost just as much.

If we trade down and pick up a 2nd I'm hella good.


I'm not a big fan of Hodges, but it's honestly not anything about his potential as a playmaker. When I hear him talk I cringe. He seems like he is always high, which I'm sure he isn't, but he doesn't seem professional, doesn't seem smart, I just feel like if what I see there is true, the dude will struggle to pick up playbook and blocking schemes. I listen to OJ, to Njoku, Butt, Engram, etc. they sound educated, smart, etc. I'm sure if we drafted him I'd quickly look past it but idk.
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H2ThaIzzo wrote:
brownie man wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
I personally really like Njoku and hes one of my main targets if we slide back or move up.


I agree, especially if we draft a QB. Need to give whoever it is weapons around him.


Yeah im goood with Njocku at 12 if we had to. I think he's going to be a stud. Also had an interview on the move the sticks podcast sounds like a good young dude.

Really talented killed the Sparq scoring, but I'd like Bucky Hodges almost just as much.

If we trade down and pick up a 2nd I'm hella good.


I'm not a big fan of Hodges, but it's honestly not anything about his potential as a playmaker. When I hear him talk I cringe. He seems like he is always high, which I'm sure he isn't, but he doesn't seem professional, doesn't seem smart, I just feel like if what I see there is true, the dude will struggle to pick up playbook and blocking schemes. I listen to OJ, to Njoku, Butt, Engram, etc. they sound educated, smart, etc. I'm sure if we drafted him I'd quickly look past it but idk.


lol have you heard Ogbah talk

I know he's not from this country but if you went by his interviews and his speech youd think the same way


Can he ball the question I don't need my players talking much just win
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I never even predicted Kizer to fail, I simply said he was an over drafted project. Now tell me that I am wrong in that regard.


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I saw an interview with Ogbah he sounded fine

Couldnt tell he wasnt American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oINguaOd0TU
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brownie man wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
brownie man wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
I personally really like Njoku and hes one of my main targets if we slide back or move up.


I agree, especially if we draft a QB. Need to give whoever it is weapons around him.


Yeah im goood with Njocku at 12 if we had to. I think he's going to be a stud. Also had an interview on the move the sticks podcast sounds like a good young dude.

Really talented killed the Sparq scoring, but I'd like Bucky Hodges almost just as much.

If we trade down and pick up a 2nd I'm hella good.


I'm not a big fan of Hodges, but it's honestly not anything about his potential as a playmaker. When I hear him talk I cringe. He seems like he is always high, which I'm sure he isn't, but he doesn't seem professional, doesn't seem smart, I just feel like if what I see there is true, the dude will struggle to pick up playbook and blocking schemes. I listen to OJ, to Njoku, Butt, Engram, etc. they sound educated, smart, etc. I'm sure if we drafted him I'd quickly look past it but idk.


lol have you heard Ogbah talk

I know he's not from this country but if you went by his interviews and his speech youd think the same way


Can he ball the question I don't need my players talking much just win


Ogbah doesn't sound that bad. Hodges sounds like he could play Radio better than Cuba Gooding Jr played Radio.
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LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
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Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


Cool, so the 3rd/4th best safety going at 12. Sounds great.

I'll bite, show me a mock of anyone with the national/local media (not just some random dude) who had him in the top 25 before the combine.


National media doesn't matter. Neither does the pre-combine statement. There's a reason scouts and NFL teams hold these workouts and Melifonwu is a great example.

Our safeties are awful. I'm not beating the drum for Obi in particular, but I would prefer a secondary upgrade if we don't go QB at 12. I'm not as bullish on Peppers. I like the corner options, but as a position ours played okay, it's our safeties that need the biggest upgrade. Obi's tape is good and he's clearly a rare athlete at 6'4 with 4.6 speed. Would be perfect to match up with TEs and big WRs.

If we don't go QB, Corey Davis or Mike Williams, I wouldn't mind a trade back to say 20 and taking Obi there. Don't know if he'll make it to #33.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JCBrowns21 wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
JCBrowns21 wrote:
Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


Cool, so the 3rd/4th best safety going at 12. Sounds great.

I'll bite, show me a mock of anyone with the national/local media (not just some random dude) who had him in the top 25 before the combine.


National media doesn't matter. Neither does the pre-combine statement. There's a reason scouts and NFL teams hold these workouts and Melifonwu is a great example.

Our safeties are awful. I'm not beating the drum for Obi in particular, but I would prefer a secondary upgrade if we don't go QB at 12. I'm not as bullish on Peppers. I like the corner options, but as a position ours played okay, it's our safeties that need the biggest upgrade. Obi's tape is good and he's clearly a rare athlete at 6'4 with 4.6 speed. Would be perfect to match up with TEs and big WRs.

If we don't go QB, Corey Davis or Mike Williams, I wouldn't mind a trade back to say 20 and taking Obi there. Don't know if he'll make it to #33.


My point is simply he's not the 12th best prospect in anyone's view.

And yes, the pre combine stuff does matter. That's when players were based off their tape, not their results at the Underwear Olympics. If you didn't think he was a top 15 player before, a couple great workouts shouldn't change that. He was just as big and freaky during the season when he played like a second rounder.

At 12, he's a reach.
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Obi is a bit overrated IMO. People are more in awe of his measurables.
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nugpimpen wrote:
Obi is a bit overrated IMO. People are more in awe of his measurables.


Truth...Plus I always though his hips were tight as well.
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BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
JCBrowns21 wrote:
Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


You do realize that's not saying much, and you have to have loose hips and have great change of direction, he's not great at either.

As far as the 12th pick, I actually hope there is a run on QBs to push down some of the elite non-QB prospects. Plus I saw on NFL.com they had Hooker mocked to the Skins at 17, pfft....there is no way he gets past 12.

For me its either Hooker, Adams, Howard, or Foster for me. If not, abandon ship.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
JCBrowns21 wrote:
Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


You do realize that's not saying much, and you have to have loose hips and have great change of direction, he's not great at either.

As far as the 12th pick, I actually hope there is a run on QBs to push down some of the elite non-QB prospects. Plus I saw on NFL.com they had Hooker mocked to the Skins at 17, pfft....there is no way he gets past 12.

For me its either Hooker, Adams, Howard, or Foster for me. If not, abandon ship.


The only one listed who most think will be available is Howard. I think our LB core will be really good, but we have major issues in the back end of our secondary. The thread title was for prospects that haven't been talked about as much, hence the inclusion of Obi. Don't disagree that there may be better players, but I'm hard pressed to find one that will be the biggest upgrade available.
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MSURacerDT55 wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
JCBrowns21 wrote:
Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


You do realize that's not saying much, and you have to have loose hips and have great change of direction, he's not great at either.

As far as the 12th pick, I actually hope there is a run on QBs to push down some of the elite non-QB prospects. Plus I saw on NFL.com they had Hooker mocked to the Skins at 17, pfft....there is no way he gets past 12.

For me its either Hooker, Adams, Howard, or Foster for me. If not, abandon ship.


I think you can look at Williams and Davis there too. But that is dependent on what they think of QBs and if they project Gordon back.
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EL Brownso wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
JCBrowns21 wrote:
Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


You do realize that's not saying much, and you have to have loose hips and have great change of direction, he's not great at either.

As far as the 12th pick, I actually hope there is a run on QBs to push down some of the elite non-QB prospects. Plus I saw on NFL.com they had Hooker mocked to the Skins at 17, pfft....there is no way he gets past 12.

For me its either Hooker, Adams, Howard, or Foster for me. If not, abandon ship.


I think you can look at Williams and Davis there too. But that is dependent on what they think of QBs and if they project Gordon back.


I don't think Gordon can factor too much into the decision, he's played 5 games in 3 years.

If they like one of those receivers, take them. We could use them.
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LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
EL Brownso wrote:
MSURacerDT55 wrote:
BleedTheClock wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
JCBrowns21 wrote:
Give me Corey Davis or the best upgrade for our secondary, which I think would be a safety like Obi Melifonwu.


What makes a guy like Melifonwu worth a top 15 pick when no one had him in round one prior to the combine?

He's, at best, the 4th highest rated safety and that's probably generous.


Quite a few people had him as a late 1st rounder. I think scouts liked him more than casuals. He has really good tape, particularly in coverage. His size would lead you to believe he's a stiff box safety, but he moves like a corner and isn't a great box player. He's not a bad tackler, but it's not notable as a strength. I think there are better players at 12, but arguably not any with the upside of Melifonwu. I have him neck and neck with Peppers as safety prospects.


You do realize that's not saying much, and you have to have loose hips and have great change of direction, he's not great at either.

As far as the 12th pick, I actually hope there is a run on QBs to push down some of the elite non-QB prospects. Plus I saw on NFL.com they had Hooker mocked to the Skins at 17, pfft....there is no way he gets past 12.

For me its either Hooker, Adams, Howard, or Foster for me. If not, abandon ship.


I think you can look at Williams and Davis there too. But that is dependent on what they think of QBs and if they project Gordon back.


I don't think Gordon can factor too much into the decision, he's played 5 games in 3 years.

If they like one of those receivers, take them. We could use them.


Honestly though between him and us drafting four receivers last year I'd go Njocku to add a new dimension and plus a TE would bring a safety blanket for our young QB whether we get him this year or next, or especially with Cody who can't stentch the field vertically he needs a dominant TE.
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