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TheRealMcCoy


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn. I feel for Raiders fans. They are probably the best fans as far as the California teams went. Well, them and the true L.A. Rams fans.

I really wish they could've stayed in Oakland or at least stayed in state and came back to Los Angeles. It just doesn't feel right having a historic franchise like the Raiders move out of state.

Anyways, here is Derek Carr's take on this for those that haven't seen it.



Carr is probably my favorite young QB besides Wentz (for obvious reasons).

Raiders fans have to love that guy.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LBC wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
I don't like this necessarily BUT I can't view it in the same vein as the Kroenke / Spanos decisions.

Davis has less capital at his disposal, the other owners clearly wanted the Raiders in Vegas, Oakland wasn't willing to work with the NFL (not that they should, just that they didn't).

How is this different from Spanos? Spanos doesn't have the capital either.

Not that I'm trying to vilify Davis, but if you're giving Davis a pass for those reasons, you should probably be giving one to Spanos as well.

Ultimately, the biggest blame is on the NFL for proliferating an irrational and unreasonable model and expectation among it's ownership that, even if you lack the liquidity to put any of your own money at stake, you should be given a taxpayer-funded bright and shiny new stadium just by asking for it or else you're justified in pulling up roots and crapping on years of history and tradition.

And ultimately this model I believe will be the death of the league.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the move. Good for the Raiders. They got a sweetheart deal. Good for the fans in Vegas. They finally have a pro sports team. Good for a lot of LA Raiders fans who aren't too far from Vegas and can definitely see their team on the regular now.

And you have to admit, that whole silver n black "Sin City Raiders" thing is gangster as hell.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheRealMcCoy wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
Nightmare wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
It's not like Cali (where tons of our fans reside) is far from Vegas. Hell it's probably easier now for Cali fans to get to Vegas than Oakland.


SoCal fans, absolutely. 4 hour drive from LA to Vegas, more than double that from LA to the Bay.

its about a 6 hour drive

If I was a Raider with a long term future I'd be stoked, Uncle Sam is getting a lot less of that paycheck.

Yeah, Nightmare must be taking the scenic route.


That's what I get for quoting some random person on Twitter when I've never made the journey myself. Laughing

The point still stands, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Throw a bunch of young 20 somethings who are, at best, financially illiterate and at worst wantonly disregarding their own financial stakes into a town with the most gambling in the nation.

Yeah this will work out juuuuuust fine.

Wonder how long until a new signee pulls a Holyfield and asks for his signing bonus in chips. I mean hell ESPN might need a dedicated section of the site along with the NFL league office just for the stuff that players get up too in Vegas.

The NFL has no idea what it's doing long term, it's the complete opposite of the other leagues where it's just chasing the almighty TV dollar for that one last bump in revenue. But, where the other 3 big leagues have begun to bulwark against the cable bubble bursting, and it's coming, the NFL is throwing caution to the wind and doubling down. They don't even have a free-form streaming service FFS.

This will backfire. This will backfire horribly.


Because look what Atlantic City did to all those athletes in NY/NJ.

You sound ridiculous. Gambling is everywhere now.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For SoCal fans, the drive to see a Raiders game just got cut from 7 hours to 3.5 hours
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are they building this? On the North Side out by the Las Vegas Motor Speedway?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sdrawkcab321 wrote:
2 teams in LA that no one in LA cares about and now one going to Vegas where no one will care about in Vegas. That's rough. Feel bad for Oakland. They deserve a team much more than those 2 cities.


So Oakland has lost an NFL team not once, but twice, and has been in the gutter when it comes to attendance for at least a decade, and yet they deserve a team and LA doesn't.

Do you think before you type?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's the timetable here? Stay in Oakland while a stadium is being built? If so, this could get pretty ugly.

Is there no stadium that could support them in the interim near Vegas? Maybe UNLV's stadium?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thelonebillsfan wrote:
The LBC wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
I don't like this necessarily BUT I can't view it in the same vein as the Kroenke / Spanos decisions.

Davis has less capital at his disposal, the other owners clearly wanted the Raiders in Vegas, Oakland wasn't willing to work with the NFL (not that they should, just that they didn't).

How is this different from Spanos? Spanos doesn't have the capital either.

Not that I'm trying to vilify Davis, but if you're giving Davis a pass for those reasons, you should probably be giving one to Spanos as well.

Ultimately, the biggest blame is on the NFL for proliferating an irrational and unreasonable model and expectation among it's ownership that, even if you lack the liquidity to put any of your own money at stake, you should be given a taxpayer-funded bright and shiny new stadium just by asking for it or else you're justified in pulling up roots and crapping on years of history and tradition.

And ultimately this model I believe will be the death of the league.
Why do you think that?

There are a lot of things that could kill football like lawsuits and "brain drain" (excuse the pun) from concussions, the TV bubble that they have in no way prepared for, rule changes making the game less interesting, the rise of other spots in America (notably basketball and soccer), etc. etc.

I don't see how their obnoxious stadium policy, as disgusting as it is, will kill them. If every city in America suddenly said it would provide no funding for stadiums, the owners would simply stop recklessly purchasing stadiums until they are actually needed and get rid of the nonsense bells and whistles.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate it. I absolutely hate it. I was warming up to the raiders but I'll never get behind the Las Vegas Raiders.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gopherwrestler wrote:
Where are they building this? On the North Side out by the Las Vegas Motor Speedway?


Its still being discussed. One site near the airport, another further north called Cashman Field. Link shows picture for the airport site.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/23/raiders-move-las-vegas


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Autumn Wind is a pirate
Blustering in from sea,
With a rollicking song, he sweeps along,
Swaggering boisterously.

His face is weather beaten.
He wears a hooded sash,
With a silver hat about his head,
And a bristling black mustache.

He growls as he storms the country,
A villain big and bold.
And the trees all shake and quiver and quake,
As he robs them of their gold.

The Autumn Wind is a raider,
Pillaging just for fun.
He'll knock you 'round and upside down,
And laugh when he's conquered and won.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
Thelonebillsfan wrote:
The LBC wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
I don't like this necessarily BUT I can't view it in the same vein as the Kroenke / Spanos decisions.

Davis has less capital at his disposal, the other owners clearly wanted the Raiders in Vegas, Oakland wasn't willing to work with the NFL (not that they should, just that they didn't).

How is this different from Spanos? Spanos doesn't have the capital either.

Not that I'm trying to vilify Davis, but if you're giving Davis a pass for those reasons, you should probably be giving one to Spanos as well.

Ultimately, the biggest blame is on the NFL for proliferating an irrational and unreasonable model and expectation among it's ownership that, even if you lack the liquidity to put any of your own money at stake, you should be given a taxpayer-funded bright and shiny new stadium just by asking for it or else you're justified in pulling up roots and crapping on years of history and tradition.

And ultimately this model I believe will be the death of the league.
Why do you think that?

There are a lot of things that could kill football like lawsuits and "brain drain" (excuse the pun) from concussions, the TV bubble that they have in no way prepared for, rule changes making the game less interesting, the rise of other spots in America (notably basketball and soccer), etc. etc.

I don't see how their obnoxious stadium policy, as disgusting as it is, will kill them. If every city in America suddenly said it would provide no funding for stadiums, the owners would simply stop recklessly purchasing stadiums until they are actually needed and get rid of the nonsense bells and whistles.


Stadium funding won't be the death of the league. If the current model is no longer sustainable due to fan resentment, the model will change.

I see the NFL of the future being a lot less about billion dollar 50-70k capacity stadiums. As viewership changes and technology gets better, fewer and fewer people will be willing to go to games or part with kings ransoms for unnecessarily large and garish stadiums. Stadiums will get smaller and more intimate (cheaper) with an eye on total fan experience over stale beer in the nosebleeds.

Just my theory. The NFL will adapt and evolve. It won't die.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nightmare wrote:
TheRealMcCoy wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
Nightmare wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
It's not like Cali (where tons of our fans reside) is far from Vegas. Hell it's probably easier now for Cali fans to get to Vegas than Oakland.


SoCal fans, absolutely. 4 hour drive from LA to Vegas, more than double that from LA to the Bay.

its about a 6 hour drive

If I was a Raider with a long term future I'd be stoked, Uncle Sam is getting a lot less of that paycheck.

Yeah, Nightmare must be taking the scenic route.


That's what I get for quoting some random person on Twitter when I've never made the journey myself. Laughing

The point still stands, though.

I'll guaranteed you, that random person on Twitter has probably never driven it (or made the drive in the middle of the week on an off-peak time) and probably just pulled up the estimated time on Google Maps or something.

The traffic just to get through the Inland Empire in order to even get to Barstow is almost always slow (tons of people that work in Riverside/Corona and commute or live in bought there back when it was cheap and now commute), let alone the further drive of 2-lane highway from Barstow through Henderson just drags.

That said, it's a 45-minute flight gate-to-gate (so I'm talking 45 minutes from when you board the plane assuming there are no delays to takeoff) from the LAX, Long Beach, Santa Ana (Orange County/John Wayne), and Ontario airports to Vegas.

My concern with the Raiders move was always that they're never going to get close to the homefield advantage they had in Oakland (or even in San Diego...) in Vegas. The games are going to become tourist destinations; you can be damn sure that every major casino is going to combine to probably account for bare minimum of 50% (probably closer to 60 or 70) of the season tickets, and I'm not just talking the luxury boxes. They'll use those tickets for comps to gamblers and hotel guests (you'll probably see some package deals where a pair of tickets are offered at a discount rate if you book Saturday and Sunday nights at the hotel).

And they're not going to discriminate on selling to "Raiders fans" only. Raiders are going to enjoy seeing what the Chargers fans did the last decade or so at Qualcomm - large factions of opposing team fans flooding their home games. Because why wouldn't they? Vegas is a great weekend-trip vacation destination, especially for the folks who live in cold fall/winter climates and they can get the tickets from the hotel they're staying at so long as they gamble enough at that casino.

What I want to know is which is the first of the current Raiders roster to marry a stripper?
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