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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In some BPA like order I want a TE, FS, CB, and LB (inside or outside) with the first 4 picks. However Mac feels the order should go is up to him but I feel want to pull starting caliber players at those 4 spots.
I completely agree. Sidney Jones would be a fine pick for me at some point because I'd be okay with letting him sit this year. Do you think Conley goes undrafted or will at team pull the trigger on him at some point? we've talked with him a lot so maybe we have a good feel for him.
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The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.
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The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.
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jetfuel wrote:
The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.


We're so empty in terms of talent compared to other teams, we need to jump on Conley. If the allegations come out true, you cut him immediately, but if it's the same case as it was for Collins, you literally hit gold on a 5th round pick. It's worth the risk
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Conley will prob pull a La'el if he falls beyond the 3rd and tell teams to not draft him so that he can sign where he wants and get more money.
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PaulieIceman wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.


We're so empty in terms of talent compared to other teams, we need to jump on Conley. If the allegations come out true, you cut him immediately, but if it's the same case as it was for Collins, you literally hit gold on a 5th round pick. It's worth the risk


Exactly. I think Mac could spin it as not having time to conduct a full and fair investigation into it, and if anything come to the forefront from their investigation, they can cut him without backlash for the most part.
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K-Ro 25 wrote:
PaulieIceman wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.


We're so empty in terms of talent compared to other teams, we need to jump on Conley. If the allegations come out true, you cut him immediately, but if it's the same case as it was for Collins, you literally hit gold on a 5th round pick. It's worth the risk


I think it's likely that he won't sign if he's taken in the 5th unless it's for a team he wants to go to. If he's drafted he can choose to enter next years draft. If he's undrafted he can't re-enter.
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rdelaney89 wrote:
K-Ro 25 wrote:
PaulieIceman wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.


We're so empty in terms of talent compared to other teams, we need to jump on Conley. If the allegations come out true, you cut him immediately, but if it's the same case as it was for Collins, you literally hit gold on a 5th round pick. It's worth the risk


I think it's likely that he won't sign if he's taken in the 5th unless it's for a team he wants to go to. If he's drafted he can choose to enter next years draft. If he's undrafted he can't re-enter.


I think if he did that he should fire his agent. When was the last time someone did that and had a successful NFL career?
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PaulieIceman wrote:
rdelaney89 wrote:
K-Ro 25 wrote:
PaulieIceman wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.


We're so empty in terms of talent compared to other teams, we need to jump on Conley. If the allegations come out true, you cut him immediately, but if it's the same case as it was for Collins, you literally hit gold on a 5th round pick. It's worth the risk


I think it's likely that he won't sign if he's taken in the 5th unless it's for a team he wants to go to. If he's drafted he can choose to enter next years draft. If he's undrafted he can't re-enter.


I think if he did that he should fire his agent. When was the last time someone did that and had a successful NFL career?


Yeah, that's a ridiculous idea.
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rdelaney89 wrote:
Rockice_8 wrote:
In some BPA like order I want a TE, FS, CB, and LB (inside or outside) with the first 4 picks. However Mac feels the order should go is up to him but I feel want to pull starting caliber players at those 4 spots.
I completely agree. Sidney Jones would be a fine pick for me at some point because I'd be okay with letting him sit this year. Do you think Conley goes undrafted or will at team pull the trigger on him at some point? we've talked with him a lot so maybe we have a good feel for him.


I see an UDFA at this point. I do hope since we were high on him even at 6 that he views us as a team the will support him and he picks us. That would be huge to land that type of talent as an UDFA and then to have him be cleared shortly after.
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Here's my best guess at the top 32 how things shake out. Never done this before so be kind. I took some time to try and get a grasp on other teams needs but it's hard. Curious to see how I do so I wanted to get it on paper before tomorrow. Like always we will see some shockers some may disagree with but whatever. I'll put a brief description for each pick so you can see my reasoning.

1. CLE - Garrett (obvious)

2. SF - Adams (Natural leader and safe pick for SF to build around)

3. CHI - Thomas (good fit and Adams was gone, I think they like Glennon so no QB here)

4. JAC - Watson (I think they are done with Bortles, Watson is a winner and a gamer. They spent a ton of money and I think they have a full blown QB comp in TC, this is the first shocker of the draft

5. CLE - Turbisky (trade from CLE #12, #33, CLE 5th. CLE gets their man and TEN gets what they want more picks)

6. NYJ - Malik Hooker (Jets are desperate to trade out but CLE gets same deal for #5 and Jets are stuck with Hooker. Saying stuck with Hooker sounds bad because this guy has a skyscraper type ceiling and Jets get a game changer)

7. SD - Jonathan Allen (SD has a top 5 talent fall to them like Williams feel to the Jets two years ago. Bosa and Allen form a scary DL.)

8. CAR - McCaffrey (Yep they pass Fournette with the 2nd shocker of the draft and grab the better all around back. The things the OC can do in a read option with CAM and McCaffrey is scary.

9. TEN - Lattimore (trade from TEN #12, #83. TEN adds #33 and still gets their guy using one of two 3rd rounds they have to move back up, they probably needed to jump BUF and/or NO for him)

10. BUF - Howard (BUF is tough, they can go many different ways but settle on a the stud TE to help Taylor, Shady and Watkins)

11. NO - Barnett (NO grabs a much needed pass rusher since Reddick/Lattimore are gone and Conley is dropping)

12. CIN - Reddick (CIN traded down because they had similar grades on a few guys, they add a 3rd which helps and land a stud LB who can help all over the field, he slots nicely into the WILL for them)

13. IND - Fournette (trade from INDY #15 and 4th. INDY has many needs on D but they had no choice since Fournette was there and PHI was licking their chops, they are not shy about getting their guy and giving Luck running game like Fournette was too good to pass up)

14. PHI - Jackson (PHI fans are pissed at INDY but settle on a much needed CB. In a bit of a shock Jackson jumps Humprhey because of upside.

15. ARI - Mahomes (ARI grabs an extra pick but lands their future in Mahomes. Love his attitude and arm as does ARI. Perfect landing spot since Mahomes is a project)

16. BAL - Robinson (I like Robinson more than most and think BAL is getting great value here. Ozzie loves Saban's guys and they take their future RT to form a bookend with Stanley.)

17. WAS - Williams (WR is a need and the best one slipped further than they thought. If they hope to win they need to score and with D-Jax/Garcon gone WR is a big need. Williams fits and is a nice red zone threat to pair with Doctson/Crowder.

18. TEN - Harris (They need a WR but just missed Williams. They stick to BPA and go with another need pass rusher and look to address WR at #33)

19. TB - Davis (I was thinking safety but didn't see the value so instead went with Jarrod Davis who will slot right in at LB for TB.)

20. DEN - Ramczyk - (DEN has big needs at OT and this could be an immediate upgrade for them. I considered Foster as well since DEN has the locker room to keep him in check and the talent is hard to pass on but went with the bigger need)

21. DET - Charlton (DET is thrilled to see Taco on the board here as he could go higher than expected but another rusher opposite Ziggy is key for their defense)

22. MIA - Foster (Tannenbaum has a flare for the dramatic and as a major need in their defense MIA takes the risk on Foster. They did it last year with Tunsil and grab another stud later then usual with Foster.)

23. NYG - Njoku (NYG would have ran to the podium if Foster was there but since him and Davis is gone they settle on a huge need a TE.)

24. OAK - King (OAK is a few pieces away from contending and CB is one. They consider Humphrey but go with the guy with the higher ceiling)

25. HOU - Webb (A bit of a panic move by HOU since the top 3 guys are gone and they couldn't move up to get one. Webb fits BOB's system better than Kizer so Webb gets the nod here)

26. ATL - Lamp (ATL trades up using #31, 4th and future 4th to land the best guard to bolster their run game. ATL loves to run the ball and Lamp is great value here. SEA has great success with mid rounders and adds two more)

27. KC - Melifonwu (Berry and Obi form a nice duo in the secondary. This could put them over the top in the secondary with an elite defense as Obi can do multiple things from cover TE's to play CF. Along with that pass rush that D is going to be tough)

28. DAL - Humphrey (DAL is thrilled to have a high end CB drop to them since the value is there as is the biggest need. DAL runs to the podium for Humphrey)

29. GB - Mixon (Don't think he gets out of round 1 but haven't found a landing spot. Could be way off here on this one but GB has a good locker room, good ownership and a need. Not sure if GB has said one way or the other about him but I needed to find a spot since I think he goes round 1)

30. PIT - Bowser (I think PIT takes Bowser for another run at NE and skips the QB here)

31. SEA - Bolles (CB is a need even with Sherman but so is OT. Bolles is an immediate upgrade to a struggling line. SEA needs to protect their franchise and Bolles does that. They move down and still get their guy)

32. CHI - Kizer (I said CHI like Glennon not love him. CHI slides into the end of round 1 to grab that extra 1 year for the rookie and grooms Kizer behind Glennon. CHI 2nd along with a 5th and 7th was enough for NO to bite)



This was my 1st round complete mock if anyone was interested.

Some interesting things I see happening
5 QB's in round 1
Fournette falling out of top 10
JAGS going QB
Mixon and Foster still in round 1.
CHI sliding up into end of round 1 to get that extra year on the contract for a QB.
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I would love Hooker, so I wouldn't be mad. We have a good run defense already, an improved secondary would make things great. Claiborne stays healthy, Burris improves/or draft a CB, and Hooker contends for DROY. I just got my hopes up again, I need to chill.
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Rockice_8 wrote:
Rockice_8 wrote:
Here's my best guess at the top 32 how things shake out. Never done this before so be kind. I took some time to try and get a grasp on other teams needs but it's hard. Curious to see how I do so I wanted to get it on paper before tomorrow. Like always we will see some shockers some may disagree with but whatever. I'll put a brief description for each pick so you can see my reasoning.

1. CLE - Garrett (obvious)

2. SF - Adams (Natural leader and safe pick for SF to build around)

3. CHI - Thomas (good fit and Adams was gone, I think they like Glennon so no QB here)

4. JAC - Watson (I think they are done with Bortles, Watson is a winner and a gamer. They spent a ton of money and I think they have a full blown QB comp in TC, this is the first shocker of the draft

5. CLE - Turbisky (trade from CLE #12, #33, CLE 5th. CLE gets their man and TEN gets what they want more picks)

6. NYJ - Malik Hooker (Jets are desperate to trade out but CLE gets same deal for #5 and Jets are stuck with Hooker. Saying stuck with Hooker sounds bad because this guy has a skyscraper type ceiling and Jets get a game changer)

7. SD - Jonathan Allen (SD has a top 5 talent fall to them like Williams feel to the Jets two years ago. Bosa and Allen form a scary DL.)

8. CAR - McCaffrey (Yep they pass Fournette with the 2nd shocker of the draft and grab the better all around back. The things the OC can do in a read option with CAM and McCaffrey is scary.

9. TEN - Lattimore (trade from TEN #12, #83. TEN adds #33 and still gets their guy using one of two 3rd rounds they have to move back up, they probably needed to jump BUF and/or NO for him)

10. BUF - Howard (BUF is tough, they can go many different ways but settle on a the stud TE to help Taylor, Shady and Watkins)

11. NO - Barnett (NO grabs a much needed pass rusher since Reddick/Lattimore are gone and Conley is dropping)

12. CIN - Reddick (CIN traded down because they had similar grades on a few guys, they add a 3rd which helps and land a stud LB who can help all over the field, he slots nicely into the WILL for them)

13. IND - Fournette (trade from INDY #15 and 4th. INDY has many needs on D but they had no choice since Fournette was there and PHI was licking their chops, they are not shy about getting their guy and giving Luck running game like Fournette was too good to pass up)

14. PHI - Jackson (PHI fans are pissed at INDY but settle on a much needed CB. In a bit of a shock Jackson jumps Humprhey because of upside.

15. ARI - Mahomes (ARI grabs an extra pick but lands their future in Mahomes. Love his attitude and arm as does ARI. Perfect landing spot since Mahomes is a project)

16. BAL - Robinson (I like Robinson more than most and think BAL is getting great value here. Ozzie loves Saban's guys and they take their future RT to form a bookend with Stanley.)

17. WAS - Williams (WR is a need and the best one slipped further than they thought. If they hope to win they need to score and with D-Jax/Garcon gone WR is a big need. Williams fits and is a nice red zone threat to pair with Doctson/Crowder.

18. TEN - Harris (They need a WR but just missed Williams. They stick to BPA and go with another need pass rusher and look to address WR at #33)

19. TB - Davis (I was thinking safety but didn't see the value so instead went with Jarrod Davis who will slot right in at LB for TB.)

20. DEN - Ramczyk - (DEN has big needs at OT and this could be an immediate upgrade for them. I considered Foster as well since DEN has the locker room to keep him in check and the talent is hard to pass on but went with the bigger need)

21. DET - Charlton (DET is thrilled to see Taco on the board here as he could go higher than expected but another rusher opposite Ziggy is key for their defense)

22. MIA - Foster (Tannenbaum has a flare for the dramatic and as a major need in their defense MIA takes the risk on Foster. They did it last year with Tunsil and grab another stud later then usual with Foster.)

23. NYG - Njoku (NYG would have ran to the podium if Foster was there but since him and Davis is gone they settle on a huge need a TE.)

24. OAK - King (OAK is a few pieces away from contending and CB is one. They consider Humphrey but go with the guy with the higher ceiling)

25. HOU - Webb (A bit of a panic move by HOU since the top 3 guys are gone and they couldn't move up to get one. Webb fits BOB's system better than Kizer so Webb gets the nod here)

26. ATL - Lamp (ATL trades up using #31, 4th and future 4th to land the best guard to bolster their run game. ATL loves to run the ball and Lamp is great value here. SEA has great success with mid rounders and adds two more)

27. KC - Melifonwu (Berry and Obi form a nice duo in the secondary. This could put them over the top in the secondary with an elite defense as Obi can do multiple things from cover TE's to play CF. Along with that pass rush that D is going to be tough)

28. DAL - Humphrey (DAL is thrilled to have a high end CB drop to them since the value is there as is the biggest need. DAL runs to the podium for Humphrey)

29. GB - Mixon (Don't think he gets out of round 1 but haven't found a landing spot. Could be way off here on this one but GB has a good locker room, good ownership and a need. Not sure if GB has said one way or the other about him but I needed to find a spot since I think he goes round 1)

30. PIT - Bowser (I think PIT takes Bowser for another run at NE and skips the QB here)

31. SEA - Bolles (CB is a need even with Sherman but so is OT. Bolles is an immediate upgrade to a struggling line. SEA needs to protect their franchise and Bolles does that. They move down and still get their guy)

32. CHI - Kizer (I said CHI like Glennon not love him. CHI slides into the end of round 1 to grab that extra 1 year for the rookie and grooms Kizer behind Glennon. CHI 2nd along with a 5th and 7th was enough for NO to bite)



This was my 1st round complete mock if anyone was interested.

Some interesting things I see happening
5 QB's in round 1
Fournette falling out of top 10
JAGS going QB
Mixon and Foster still in round 1.
CHI sliding up into end of round 1 to get that extra year on the contract for a QB.


The biggest thing that hits me with this scenario is how far you have Fournette falling. I'm worried about Tenn pulling the trade off in front of the Jets, but they may be in a position to trade Fournette back to say the Panthers if the board goes Garrett, Thomas, Adams, Allen, which is probably a good bet.

The Titans could land Howard, McCaffrey, or Willaims at eight and pick up an extra pick/picks which is a good deal for them. The Jets could get 12, 52, and 108 with the Browns trade.

When you think of it, a Fournette trade back could be a better situation. Maybe that's the deal we want of the two.
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K-Ro 25 wrote:
PaulieIceman wrote:
rdelaney89 wrote:
K-Ro 25 wrote:
PaulieIceman wrote:
jetfuel wrote:
The report of rape by Conley will cause him to fall fast. I think there is a 50/50 chance he goes undrafted. Most teams will not take the risk of this report and pass on him. I think best case for him is round 5-7. He will not be drafted in the top 3 rounds. There is no way a team takes this risk.

My feeling is he goes undrafted until this is all sorted out and then he can pick his team who he wants to play for.


I think someone takes a 7th round flier on him. Or at least I hope the jets would. Obviously if anything comes of the allegations you dump him immediately.


We're so empty in terms of talent compared to other teams, we need to jump on Conley. If the allegations come out true, you cut him immediately, but if it's the same case as it was for Collins, you literally hit gold on a 5th round pick. It's worth the risk


I think it's likely that he won't sign if he's taken in the 5th unless it's for a team he wants to go to. If he's drafted he can choose to enter next years draft. If he's undrafted he can't re-enter.


I think if he did that he should fire his agent. When was the last time someone did that and had a successful NFL career?


Yeah, that's a ridiculous idea.

La'el Collins threatened to do it.

3rd round next year is better than 7th round this year. Collins lost a ton of money from that incident. Since it's so close to the draft I think someone will take him with a pick that they don't mind potentially throwing away. If he's guilty they cut bait and say "We believed he was innocent, given the new evidence we are correcting our mistake" If he is found innocent then you have arguably the best CB in the draft for peanuts.
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Not a bad mock. I don't see 5 QBs in the first. Both Chicago and Jacksonville can wait to the 2nd or 3rd. I think Pitt would go with Watt ahead of Bowser if they take a LB. After listening to the latest dradftbreakdown podcast I think there is a possibility that the Trubisky to Cleveland rumor might just be a smoke screen.

Interesting fact I heard is that Rick Smith, Houston's GM has never drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds. In 11 years he only drafted Savage (4), Yates (5) and Brink (7). It seems like they have to this year but stranger things have happened.
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