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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Final mock before the draft Reply with quote

So I've posted different smocks at different points throughout "draft preseason" if you will. With FA for the most part wrapped up and our team slowing down on adding new pieces no seems like a good time to post the final one. I'm still a believer in the potential of Trubisky and Watson but don't think that's a direction a first time HC and GM will be going with their first ever 1st round pick in this multi year rebuild. So here goes, have at and leave any comments and/or changes as you see fit. Do keep in mind while I see some of this as unlikely if I were calling the shot this is how I would finish the FA period as well as handle the draft this year.

Free Agents :

- Jamaal Charles, RB - Seems to be a rough market for older RBs as many remain unsigned and not a whole lot of interest being rumored for any. That being said the Niners still need some depth at RB as I'm sure we can all agree what he have behind Hyde on the roster currently is no where near good enough. Bring in Charles who admittedly is a huge question mark in terms of what we are getting coming off another serious leg injury. If he does have anything left in the tank however he would be an awesome fit in Shanahans offense and give us and awesome compliment RB to Hydes physical playing style. We still have plenty of FA money so we would probably be the most capable team in terms of money as well as playing time.

- Will Beatty, OT - Injuries have pretty much taken away this former LTs starting potential but I imagine he would be an effective swing OT behind Staley and Brown. We all would like to see Brown reach his potential but the jury is still out. Not saying or even sure Beatty is capable of overtaking Brown for the RT position but Beatty has tons of experience and has good athleticism even playing as a blocking TE in his earlier years so as long as he has some of that left I think he can fit in our zone running scheme. Other than Theus, who we know little about, we have no depth at OT as seen last year when Beadles played LT.

- Jacquies Smith, SAM/LEO - A new addition I just learned about today but am quite a big fan of. He showed quite promising in his first two years with the Bucs before last year was lost to an injury after week 1. With 13.5 career sacks in 28 total games and possessing a 6'2" 258 lb frame and a fast on-field playing style who is capable of rushing the passer I like his fit as our early down SAM and moving into the LEO position on passing downs to utilize his quickness off the edge. I for one have never been too concerned with our future SAMs coverage skills as I don't see them being asked to do much more than drop into the hook/curl or flat route area or getting physical with a TE off the snap so I'm sure he could be taught to handle those responsibilities with his above average athleticism.

Draft :

1st - Solomon Thomas, LEO/3-Tech DT - My favorite player at pick #2 and a guy I feel who could help us in many different ways. His ability to apply pressure through strength, relentlessness and athleticism would be a big help on early downs. Add that with his ability to set the edge from the LEO position against runs, im fairly certain most of you remember how historically bad we were against the run, along with his work ethic, character and play making ability and we could have the future leader of our defense. Another positive is his ability to slide into the 3-Tech DT on certain passing downs and allow us to have a DL that might look something like Smith/Lynch, Thomas, Armstead, Buckner and I'm excited about the future of our pass rush.

2nd - Budda Baker, FS - I've been wrestling with who to go with in the 2nd for quite a while. One part of me wants to sure up the OL with this pick, another part wants to take a playmaker for offense whether that be WR, TE or RB. If a QB takes a tumble this would seem to be a perfect place to take one. In the end I just don't know if I see any QBs other than Kizer being available and I'm not the biggest fan. At this point I expect McCaffery to be gone as well and the top 3 WRs and top 2 TEs in Williams, Davis, Ross and Howard, Njoku to be long gone. I love the idea of adding Engram to Shanahans offense and giving us a big, possession, red zone threat as well but in the end went with the FS who I feel is truly being under appreciated. His intensity, fearlessness and play making is everything we don't have at S currently. I know Ward is moving to FS but the great thing about both Ward and Baker is they have the ability to play both FS and line up in the slot and do so effectively. There is no reason why both couldn't be on the field at the same time for passing situations. Bakers potential as our "Earl Thomas" type difference maker is what sells this pick for me. Refered to as the leader of a very good Washington defense and would be a welcomed addition to a very much identity less defense.

3rd - Cooper Kupp, WR - Yes, another man crush of mine. I'm pretty sure most of you are aware of who Kupp is so I won't go into too much detail about what he can do. While I've had him going to us with our 2nd round pick in other mocks being that some WRs seem to see their stock still rising after testing results and Kupps on a slight decline I think he will be available with our 3rd. For those disappointed by his 4.6 40 I'm not sure you truly appreciate all the things Kupp can do and I think he easily has the potential to develop into a WR 2 in our offense. With his quickness in and out of breaks, route running ability and 6'2" frame he can line up inside or out and give Hoyer another sure handed option other than Garçon.

4th - Brad Kaaya, QB - Probably my favorite QB outside of the oft referenced "top 4" being Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes and Kizer. Athleticism, mobility, pocket presence, arm strength and diagnosing of defenses could all use work but I get a very Kirk Cousins vibe from him. Just a cool customer who will work hard to develop his game and if given time followed by an oppurtunity may have a chance to shine. Watching his performance at the combine I found myself most impressed with him. Granted he's had past experience in a pro style offense so the footwork was known for him but everything looked extremely smooth and effortless. Possibly with NFL coaching and a little Shanahan magic he can address the needed areas of his game, those which can be worked on, and provide some upside as a future starter or at the very least be a solid back up for us.

4th - Jeremy McNichols, RB - The RB class this year is ridiculously stacked as I'm sure most of you are aware and there are more than a handful of guys I would enjoy to see in a niner uniform come next fall. That being said I can't help but see a more athletic version of Frank Gore when I watch his tape. From his build to his running style and ability I can see him becoming a very all around capable RB like Gore. Big difference being that McNichols has returned kicks in college, has lined up from the slot before on plays and comes with far less time under the knife than Gore had up to this point in both their respective collegiate careers. Even if Hydes inability to remain healthy continues into his contract year I would feel comfortable with the knowledge of McNichols being and his ability on the roster as he very much seems like a Kyle Shanahn type of RB.

5th - Chase Roullier, C/OG - Although there are no top tier C prospects in my mind there are a lot solid prospects in their own right and with so many teams needing C help I can see a run of Elflein, Pocic, Orlosky and Toth even Feeney starting in round 3 maybe earlier. That leaves the next "tier" so to speak of C available and Roullier is slightly above Fuller for me. I know with the addition of Zuttah and Kilgore still on the roster it would seem we have two capable players at the position but Roulliers ability to play C and OG is what makes him valuable as we still have little depth behind Garnett, Beadles and Kilgore/Zuttah (both have played OG in the NFL) at OG. Tiller still hasn't been resigned and I'm not sure he will as his play hasn't really been deserving of it and his fit is questionable in our new scheme. Roullier could initially provide depth at OG while learning while possibly learning to become our C of the future. A technically sound guy with good hands and bend, has a solid base and anchor with power and grit as a run blocker.

5th - Michael Roberts, TE - Has work to do when it comes to run blocking and/or effort and will never take over a game with athleticism or his physical ability but is an excellent receiver with soft hands and a knack for getting up on short to intermediate routes. Could be a great red zone option with his his size and nose for the end zone in enemies territory. Behind McDonald as our receiving TE and Paulsen as our blocking TE he will have time to learn and develop more.

6th - Robert Davis, WR - Small school sleeper who I guess we've shown a little interest in throughout the draft process so I'll take the bait. I've thought for a while now that Shanahn likes to have atleast some big bodied, physical WRs on the outside but so far through FA it would appear I was wrong. Seems a bit strange since I remember a story last year coming out that Shanahn went out of his way to make sure Sanu was a Falcon, so maybe this is where we get that type of WR. Great triangle number guy at 6'3" 218lbs with 4.4 speed. Gods bloodlines of that counts for anything being cousins with the Panthers Thomas Davis. From an interview he had that I read seems he's a very competitive guy with great passion and drive for the game.

6th - Nate Gerry, SS - I've stressed the S position being extremely important in the "Seattle" 4-3 under scheme we will be running because I personally feel what makes that defense so special is the play they get from both Thomas and Chancellor and the versatility both possess in how they can be utilized. While I certainly don't think Gerry is of their caliber we are in a complete overhaul/rebuild mode and that's true for our starters as much as it is our depth and ST players. At 6'2" 220 lbs with 4.5 speed he certainly has the physical tools but what sticks out most to me with him is his play and production on the field. Probably viewed as an over achiever in college for what his talent level is but it's hard to argue with 13 INTS, 20 PBU and 15.5 TFLs in his three years at S for the Cornhuskers with a little time spent at OLB early in his career. The future seems a bit uncertain at SS with likely Reid switching to there in his contract year and little seen from Tartt at the very least we will have given ourselves some depth and probably a STs stud. In a loaded S class I could see quality guys like Gerry still being available this late but to me his skillset is much better than where I think we will end up being picked.

7th - Garrett Sickels, LEO/SAM - Another rumored prospect we've had atleast some kind of interest in and this late in the draft I have no problem taking a shot on him for a position we will be looking for capable players. Athletically he may seem a little lacking but with 43 QB pressures leading the Big Ten last year he shows some wherewithal at the ever important job of getting after the QB. Scouting reports I've read say his best bet in the NFL may be in becoming a pass rush specialist OLB so could possibly provide depth at SAM or maybe LEO. Again I'll state that the overhaul of our team is about phasing out what hasn't worked in the recent past and acquiring some better fits in our new schemes, out with the old in with new to put it simply.

7th - Daniel Brunskill, OT - Purely a practice squad guy with developmental upside. Played LT for the SDSU Aztecs last season earning 2nd team All-Mountain West honors after his move from TE. As you can imagine is very athletic for an OL with great feet and mobility. Still needs to add weight and develop his technique but as a former walk on turned starting LT and gathering what I've read about him has the work ethic and passion for the game to continue to work at his craft.

UDFA - Sam Rogers, FB - A poor mans Juszczyk in case of injury and a Swiss Army knife On offense who fits what Shanahan likes out of his FBs.

53 Man Roster :

QB - Hoyer, Barkley, Kaaya
RB - Hyde, Charles, McNichols
FB - Juszczyk
WR - Garçon, Kupp, Goodwin, Kerley, Robinson, Rogers
TE - McDonald, Paulsen, Roberts, Nelson
LT - Staley
LG - Beadles
C - Zuttah, Kilgore
RG - Garnett, Roullier
RT - Brown, Beatty

LEO - Thomas, Lynch
3Tech - Buckner, Moore, Blair
NT - Mitchell, Purcell
5Tech - Armstead, Dial
SAM - Smith, Armstrong, Harold
MIKE - Bowman, Coyle
WILL - Smith, Watson
CB - Brock, Robinson, Williams, Redmond, Jones
FS - Ward, Baker
SS - Reid, Tartt, Gerry

K - Gould
P - Pinion

Practice Squad

- Davis, RB
- Rogers, FB
- Davis, WR
- Carter, WR
- Theus, OT
- Brunskill, OT
- Sickels, SAM/LEO
- Bradford, MIKE/WILL
- Iworah, CB
- Ball, S

Practice squad was a shot in the dark with guys on it last year, lesser known guys we picked up this offseason and some rookies from our draft. Well there it is, last one before the draft. It has changed a bit throughout the process but I like the direction Lynch and Shanahan have us going in with the little time they've been in control.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about Kaaya... read that he had 30-something %? accuracy on passes 11-20 yards downfield? Watched a couple of clips on him.. looked.. ok. Not very athletic or mobile, really... not a pure statue though. Guess it isn't a big deal either way. Develop him... start the boring vet this year.. probably draft a top QB in 2018 anyway.

I'd probably go with a different position than S in rd 2. Going to be a lot of great (better) options at that spot.

Overall, there is enough here to be a fan of, imho.

I don't see any later rd names that have me impressed. Guys that look appropriately valued, but no names that I have taken a strong fondness of.

I like most of your early selections, and the reasoning behind them.

Also a real fan of the FA additions.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall I'd be pretty happy with this also. Thomas has been pretty favored for a while now and while I'd be good with him as the pick I cant help but think how the (assumed) addition of Jacquies Smith who is a starter caliber player and the overall depth of the edge rush class this year might convince us to stay away from Thomas @2.

I'm also not the biggest fan of Budda Baker, I think he's an aggressive player but he's undersized and benefited from a pair of CBs with amazing coverage ability. He also whiffs on a lot of tackles, I think any time there is a good undersized FS prospect we like to compare him with Earl Thomas but there aren't many players that have earned that comp. I dont see the coverage skills that Jimmie Ward has, and I think there are better options at the nickel position if we wanted to start him off there.

I'd be very happy with Kupp in the 3rd, and Kaaya in the 4th. Kaaya played in 3 Offensive systems in 3 years, to be able to accomplish what he did was darn impressive. I love the idea of him in the 4th I think there is serious potential there to develop him. Nate Gerry is a force I really like that pick, although I expect him to be gone in the 3rd-4th but if he were to slide that would be an awesome pick. He is so athletic for a guy his size and has great ball skills plus he plays with a physicality combined with his size that will have an impact in the pros. The other late round picks are okay, I dont really have much to say for or against them.
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Just curious - are you assuming Melifonwu is gone by our pick at 34? I'm not a fan of smallish safeties, even though I think Baker could be a slot corner. Melifonwu though is a multi-purpose force out there. Great potential in the Kam Chancellor type role. But way fast enough to play FS or a deep zone safety, or with his size could be hybrid LB type role and might even turn out to be an adequate pass rusher off the edge, or blasting through a hole opened up by our good dline guys.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just curious - are you assuming Melifonwu is gone by our pick at 34? I'm not a fan of smallish safeties, even though I think Baker could be a slot corner. Melifonwu though is a multi-purpose force out there. Great potential in the Kam Chancellor type role. But way fast enough to play FS or a deep zone safety, or with his size could be hybrid LB type role and might even turn out to be an adequate pass rusher off the edge, or blasting through a hole opened up by our good dline guys.


Melifonwu could very well be gone by then but while he is a very interesting prospect I don't see the fit for him. He gets getting Chancellor comps but doesn't have near the physical presence which is a huge part to Chancellors game. It's actually been rumored that 40% of teams talking to Melifonwu have been looking at him as a CB. While he's got size that's unreal I don't think he plays with the physicality to line up in the box often. His speed and athletic ability are interesting as a deep safety I don't think he has instincts and feel required for the spot as it seems like he needs to see the ball in the air before making his move. It takes him a little longer to diagnose everything that's going on around him and in front of him.

I understand the wariness of a smaller S prospect in Baker but those things that I question about Melifonwu are where Baker excels. Bakers cover skills are top notch for a S and his passion which he plays with is such an X factor that for me it's hard to ignore. His skillset is perfect for the single high S role where his size concerns would be minimal from back there.

Just my two cents on it all. Love the feedback and talking to others with varying opinions. Appreciate the comments.
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Fureys49ers wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
Just curious - are you assuming Melifonwu is gone by our pick at 34? I'm not a fan of smallish safeties, even though I think Baker could be a slot corner. Melifonwu though is a multi-purpose force out there. Great potential in the Kam Chancellor type role. But way fast enough to play FS or a deep zone safety, or with his size could be hybrid LB type role and might even turn out to be an adequate pass rusher off the edge, or blasting through a hole opened up by our good dline guys.


Melifonwu could very well be gone by then but while he is a very interesting prospect I don't see the fit for him. He gets getting Chancellor comps but doesn't have near the physical presence which is a huge part to Chancellors game. It's actually been rumored that 40% of teams talking to Melifonwu have been looking at him as a CB. While he's got size that's unreal I don't think he plays with the physicality to line up in the box often. His speed and athletic ability are interesting as a deep safety I don't think he has instincts and feel required for the spot as it seems like he needs to see the ball in the air before making his move. It takes him a little longer to diagnose everything that's going on around him and in front of him.

I understand the wariness of a smaller S prospect in Baker but those things that I question about Melifonwu are where Baker excels. Bakers cover skills are top notch for a S and his passion which he plays with is such an X factor that for me it's hard to ignore. His skillset is perfect for the single high S role where his size concerns would be minimal from back there.

Just my two cents on it all. Love the feedback and talking to others with varying opinions. Appreciate the comments.


Baker is the superior prospect to me over Obi. Baker is a first round guy on talent...his injury concern would push him down I think, but from pure talent, I'll take Baker over Obi.
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Baker really doesn't have that great of cover skills, I've seen him quite often late to react on a multitude of routes, he doesn't stick to receivers like I would consider a lot of good cover guys. He's also been out jumped for quite a few balls.
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Fureys49ers wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
Just curious - are you assuming Melifonwu is gone by our pick at 34? I'm not a fan of smallish safeties, even though I think Baker could be a slot corner. Melifonwu though is a multi-purpose force out there. Great potential in the Kam Chancellor type role. But way fast enough to play FS or a deep zone safety, or with his size could be hybrid LB type role and might even turn out to be an adequate pass rusher off the edge, or blasting through a hole opened up by our good dline guys.


Melifonwu could very well be gone by then but while he is a very interesting prospect I don't see the fit for him. He gets getting Chancellor comps but doesn't have near the physical presence which is a huge part to Chancellors game. It's actually been rumored that 40% of teams talking to Melifonwu have been looking at him as a CB. While he's got size that's unreal I don't think he plays with the physicality to line up in the box often. His speed and athletic ability are interesting as a deep safety I don't think he has instincts and feel required for the spot as it seems like he needs to see the ball in the air before making his move. It takes him a little longer to diagnose everything that's going on around him and in front of him.

I understand the wariness of a smaller S prospect in Baker but those things that I question about Melifonwu are where Baker excels. Bakers cover skills are top notch for a S and his passion which he plays with is such an X factor that for me it's hard to ignore. His skillset is perfect for the single high S role where his size concerns would be minimal from back there.

Just my two cents on it all. Love the feedback and talking to others with varying opinions. Appreciate the comments.


I'm loving guys this year with potential to play many different roles - guys like McCaffrey and Samuel on offense. Guys like Reddick, Watt and Melifonwu on defense. Oh and like Solomon Thomas. I think the ability to move guys around and confuse an offense is huge these days. The ability to keep your base D on the field against a no huddle and know that they can adjust to whatever the offense throws at them is a big plus. When I watched Obi's highlights I thought he was plenty good enough as a tackler. Maybe not the "blow em up" type like Kam. But solid. Looked up his stats and he had 73 solo tackles and 118 total - that's just for this year. That's getting into the range of twice as many as guys like Adams, Peppers and Baker. Heck, it's a lot more than Reddick or Watt and even more than Rueben Foster. So hard to imagine tackling is an issue for him.
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I don't believe I ever questioned Melifonwus tackling. If I did at any point that was a mistake on my part and not what I was attempting to portray. I actually think his tackling is quite sound as he breaks down nicely and his length and strength allow him to wrap up effectively. The part of his game I question is his physicality. Being 6'4" 225 and moving as fast as he does with the explosiveness he shows with his jump numbers I would just like to see some pop in his tackles and behind his shoulder pads. I don't see it really at all, perfect oppurtunity to unload on a smaller RB in the Senior Bowl game when Pomphrey broke through the LOS and had a lane straight to where Melifonwu was waiting, as opposed to exploding forward and delivering a powerful tackle to prevent more yardage Melifonwu waited for Pomphrey to reach him, broke down with good form and received a nice little pop from Pomphrey where Pomphrey actually ended up falling forward. Just one example I know but a lot of his tape I see the same thing. Hell of an athlete and maybe with good coaching could become a good football player but in my mind he's not nearly the football player Baker is.

Side note I'm not too concerned with Bakers man coverage as in my scenario Ward would be the S we roll into the slot on passing downs and Baker would play the deep centerfielder role where his instincts and feel for the game would be best utilized. I don't think his cover skills are anything to worry about though as the film I've seen, most draft talking heads and scouting reports I've read mention his cover skills well above average.
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If thats the role for Budda Baker you see fit then thats all good, I dont see him in the centerfield role. I've watched quite a bit of film on the entire UW secondary and thats not the role he played. He was guarding the slot and close to the line as much as possible. Baker is elite at attacking screens, disguising blitzes, and shedding WR blocks, But in many other ways he's exposed especially if he's asked to match up with a TE or against a RB that can break the shoestring tackles he's keen to make. Maybe at this next level he's asked to do more of what youre projecting and develops the habits to succeed at it since as you said he's a real football player. I agree with the need for that type of player I just have my doubts on Baker being capable of it. Here's the PFF scouting report on him:
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Bottom line: Baker seems best fit in a role close to the line of scrimmage in nickel defenses when he can attack the LOS, but is more worrisome the farther he gets played back in coverage because his tackling in open space is poor. He works well when moving downhill as he closes quickly on the ball, making him effective as a short zone player or perhaps as a quarters safety, but his size can also be an issue if forced to match up with bigger slot receivers or tight ends when deployed close to the line of scrimmage.

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If thats the role for Budda Baker you see fit then thats all good, I dont see him in the centerfield role. I've watched quite a bit of film on the entire UW secondary and thats not the role he played. He was guarding the slot and close to the line as much as possible. Baker is elite at attacking screens, disguising blitzes, and shedding WR blocks, But in many other ways he's exposed especially if he's asked to match up with a TE or against a RB that can break the shoestring tackles he's keen to make. Maybe at this next level he's asked to do more of what youre projecting and develops the habits to succeed at it since as you said he's a real football player. I agree with the need for that type of player I just have my doubts on Baker being capable of it. Here's the PFF scouting report on him:
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Bottom line: Baker seems best fit in a role close to the line of scrimmage in nickel defenses when he can attack the LOS, but is more worrisome the farther he gets played back in coverage because his tackling in open space is poor. He works well when moving downhill as he closes quickly on the ball, making him effective as a short zone player or perhaps as a quarters safety, but his size can also be an issue if forced to match up with bigger slot receivers or tight ends when deployed close to the line of scrimmage.


Maybe with Jones' injury he falls to 66? I think he's going to be a great one-on-one cover corner and I'm happy to wait for him to get well.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/budda-baker?id=2558009&id=2558009

Interesting that your write up says that about Baker 481/2. The one I posted above talks about him in a different light. I do see what you're talking about with him struggling against TEs and bigger WRs but I personally wouldn't ask him to be doing much of that if at all. The other aspects of your game you touched on I see in his game a lot and those things coupled with his ability and instincts in coverage from what I've seen is what reminds me of Earl Thomas, not so much the fact that he's a smaller S. Also the fact he's been a leader of that defense since he stepped onto UWs campus.[/url]
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Very nice draft. I'm also thinking about Thomas playing at the Leo position, I think he should be very good. The rest works for me.
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GANNDMK wrote:
Very nice draft. I'm also thinking about Thomas playing at the Leo position, I think he should be very good. The rest works for me.


Appreciate it, tried to add playmakers and leaders to our defense and some depth and more pieces for Shanahan. Would have liked to add a difference maker at LB as well as some talented guys along the OL but can only address so much. Next years offseason I figure we'll find our QB (Cousins, Garoppolo, draft pick), add some more play makers to the offense, address the OL where needed and find an impact LB in next years offseason.
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I too have my worries about Kaaya, but with taking both Thomas and Kupp, I would be very happy about this draft.
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