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disaacs
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| Dolmonite26 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | CriminalMind wrote: | | Reportedly Jared Cook turned down significantly more money and gtd money from Minny to sign with Oakland |
I'm guessing that may have a lot to do with playing time. Cook is the #1 TE in Oakland. He isn't in MN.
But the fact that MN wanted to spend decent money on a receiving TE could suggest that they may prioritize the need in the draft and move towards more of a two TE offense with Morgan potentially playing more of a blocking role. |
They may be looking to the future to, can they move on from Rudolph with a minimal cap hit next year? |
They could potentially move on, but I don't see it happening. Rudolph will likely see the end of his deal (2019), and I wouldn't be surprised to see them extend him for 2-3 more years, which would take him to 32-33 years old. While he's not a top-tier TE, he's a solid one.
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CriminalMind
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| disaacs wrote: | | Dolmonite26 wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | CriminalMind wrote: | | Reportedly Jared Cook turned down significantly more money and gtd money from Minny to sign with Oakland |
I'm guessing that may have a lot to do with playing time. Cook is the #1 TE in Oakland. He isn't in MN.
But the fact that MN wanted to spend decent money on a receiving TE could suggest that they may prioritize the need in the draft and move towards more of a two TE offense with Morgan potentially playing more of a blocking role. |
They may be looking to the future to, can they move on from Rudolph with a minimal cap hit next year? |
They could potentially move on, but I don't see it happening. Rudolph will likely see the end of his deal (2019), and I wouldn't be surprised to see them extend him for 2-3 more years, which would take him to 32-33 years old. While he's not a top-tier TE, he's a solid one. |
Maybe it speaks to what they think about Morgan's future.
Obviously I don't hope this, but still its a possibility.
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Remaining Cap Space $18.6 million
Rookie Salary. ~ $5.0 million
Effective Cap Space = $13.6 million
* More Cap can be open up with a Bradford extension.
Go make another move to upgrsde the starting lineup
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vikingsrule
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| CriminalMind wrote: | Remaining Cap Space $18.6 million
Rookie Salary. ~ $5.0 million
Effective Cap Space = $13.6 million
* More Cap can be open up with a Bradford extension.
Go make another move to upgrsde the starting lineup |
There really isnt much out there at this point. A few potential LBs and WRs but most signing will likely be for depth purposes. I'm pretty content with the roster at this point, outside of receiver and LB depth. I think we may end up looking for that third LB in the draft given that Zimmer is okay starting rookie LBs (would be a competition with Lamur). I just worry about depth as we need 2 LBs; ideally one draft pick and one veteran pickup.
I'm still holding out hope that MN tries to swing a trade for Sheldon Richardson (maybe Floyd would be part of the deal) but that probably won't happen. Richardson is one of those players that would come in and completely transform the defense. Having an UT that can get that much pressure would be huge, Floyd and Stephen just arent that type of player.
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I try to evaluate the roster like this:
If 1 key player goes down to a unit, how poor does the unit drop.
Everson down - Robison/Hunter - ok
Linval down - Shamar - problematic but only 1 position
Diggs down - Thelien/Tread/Wright/Rudolph - ok
Rhodes down - Newman/Waynes/Alexander - ok
Harry down - some trouble maybe Newman can play Safety
Kendricks or Barr down - alot of trouble
Which is why im advocating for that 3rd LB.
+ Kendricks & Barr have some injury history
+ effect 2 or 3 positional units
+ they play a position where injury happen, as they move forward & backwards with speed moreso than other positions.
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vikingsrule
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I agree with you, there is a need for a veteran LB. I am just not sure i'd spend $5-6 million per year on the position that will likely take to bring in a Zach Brown.
I'm assuming that Lamur starts. Not a great option but I do appreciate that he is athletic, might give us a different element that Greenway was unable to provide.
Lamur isn't a longterm option, which is why I'd use a 3rd round pick on a LB. LB seems like one of the easier positions for a rookie to step in right away and play well.
I really wanted to bring Audie Cole back, I felt like he would have been a good fit at OLB.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I agree with you, there is a need for a veteran LB. I am just not sure i'd spend $5-6 million per year on the position that will likely take to bring in a Zach Brown. |
Personally, I think Brown is ideal.
My thinking is he wants a 3 year deal at that $6M level.
I think he is worth it.. and I think our LB snaps rise, so not comparing it to last years.
If not him, I would like to prioritize LB within our first 3 draft picks.
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PrplChilPill
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| CriminalMind wrote: | I try to evaluate the roster like this:
If 1 key player goes down to a unit, how poor does the unit drop.
Everson down - Robison/Hunter - ok
Linval down - Shamar - problematic but only 1 position
Diggs down - Thelien/Tread/Wright/Rudolph - ok
Rhodes down - Newman/Waynes/Alexander - ok
Harry down - some trouble maybe Newman can play Safety
Kendricks or Barr down - alot of trouble
Which is why im advocating for that 3rd LB.
+ Kendricks & Barr have some injury history
+ effect 2 or 3 positional units
+ they play a position where injury happen, as they move forward & backwards with speed moreso than other positions. |
You need three our four corners every game. I would put corner over linebacker. Especially with the other offenses in this division.
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| PrplChilPill wrote: | | CriminalMind wrote: | I try to evaluate the roster like this:
If 1 key player goes down to a unit, how poor does the unit drop.
Everson down - Robison/Hunter - ok
Linval down - Shamar - problematic but only 1 position
Diggs down - Thelien/Tread/Wright/Rudolph - ok
Rhodes down - Newman/Waynes/Alexander - ok
Harry down - some trouble maybe Newman can play Safety
Kendricks or Barr down - alot of trouble
Which is why im advocating for that 3rd LB.
+ Kendricks & Barr have some injury history
+ effect 2 or 3 positional units
+ they play a position where injury happen, as they move forward & backwards with speed moreso than other positions. |
You need three our four corners every game. I would put corner over linebacker. Especially with the other offenses in this division. |
Test it out:
Scenario #1 - Rhodes is out
CB - Newman, Price, Thompson
CB - Waynes, Alexander, Roberson, Sherels
Scenario #2 - Barr is out
OLB - Robinson, ???
MLB - Kendricks, Brothers
OLB - Lamur. ???
Are you sure CB over LB...
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If Barr is out you just run nickel all game and drop a safety into the box on running downs.
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| Heimdallr wrote: | | If Barr is out you just run nickel all game and drop a safety into the box on running downs. |
Yes, this is what your forced to do.
Compare that to... if Rhodes is out... you field 2 capable starting CBs in Newman and Waynes, while having Alexander and other CB/S support.
Which is a worse scenario (not saying which player is the bigger loss).
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CB, OG, & RB are all fairly big needs in this draft. Newman won't be playing next year. We also need some LB, OT, DL & receiving TE depth.
OG is the biggest need going into the draft and needs to be addressed in the 2nd round. After that we'll just pick BPA at the area of needs.
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byuvike88
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| TrueViking28 wrote: | CB, OG, & RB are all fairly big needs in this draft. Newman won't be playing next year. We also need some LB, OT, DL & receiving TE depth.
OG is the biggest need going into the draft and needs to be addressed in the 2nd round. After that we'll just pick BPA at the area of needs. |
Did I miss something with Newman? Or were you referring to 2018?
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vikingsrule
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| byuvike88 wrote: | http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/
Right now the Vikings are supposedly in line for a 6th, and 2 7th round picks i next years draft. |
Wouldn't be a bad haul, though we're still waiting on Peterson.
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