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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If he looked mediocre behind Oakland's line, how will he fare behind Minnesota's?


Probably not very well.

I'm alright with this as long as we still grab a RB with one of our 3rd/4th rounders, preferably 3rd. O-Line with the 2nd of course.


Maybe better than last year though. Reiff and Remmers are upgrades, and Boone is solid. Berger and Sirles are filling out the line, right? I don't know anything about them.


The Vikes OL is actually strong on paper in terms of run blocking.

Nick Easton and Joe Berger will compete at center, I think Easton could win that job, he looked promising last year when Berger was hurt.

Berger could then slide to RG and compete with whatever rookie is added, and potentially Sirles.
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alright! we got our stopgap!

now just go get Mixon or Perine and we're set!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder what the Raidres' plans at RB are
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Wonder what the Raidres' plans at RB are


Committee with Richard, Washington and a draft pick is my guess.
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Wonder what the Raidres' plans at RB are


Richard I believe is more than capable of being the starter, but I will guess that we also take a running back in the middle rounds. Maybe Mixon in the 2nd if he is there. A lot of backs in this draft that could help. I would like to see what Richard can do with a bigger workload though.
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I mostly like what the Vikes have done this offseason. I'm not a fan of Latavius.

Adding Reiff was good, I don't think he will be worse than league average at LT. Remmers ceiling is league average imo. The run blocking should be solid with Boone, Remmers, and Berger/that other guy they have at center.

As a Packer fan I'm hoping I'm right about Latavius and he will be just ok, and the pass blocking suffers Laughing
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Why did Peterson never learn to pass block? It's just odd that some one as naturally gifted and the best RB of his generation couldnt figure it out.


I really believe it wasn't so much that he didn't learn it. It's more of the fact he wouldn't do it at all.

He literally has been seen basically flopping over, trying to cut the air, and running into someone and putting his hands up like he was trying to say he was open and that same guy he was blocking would kill the QB.
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If he looked mediocre behind Oakland's line, how will he fare behind Minnesota's?


Please bear in mind that Raider fans overrate our line in run blocking. It's average. Most assume that since they excel in pass blocking, everything is elite roses with the line. Only last year were they better than before, due to Osemele and his brute mentality becoming a bit infectious. Before that, this was a relatively bad run blocking line completely lacking physicality.
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Murray will be a good rotational back. He isn't going to be a feature guy.

More than anything we needed a RB that can pass block. I hear he is great at it.
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He's 6'3" and 230lbs and ran a 4.38 40, but he doesn't play fast, is not explosive, runs with no balance, no physicality, no power, no toughness, no shiftiness, doesn't break tackles, is easily taken down, doesn't make people missed, has poor vision, doesn't offer much in the pass game besides making simple short catches, and his ball security is questionable, but it did got better. What you get is a good pass blocking RB, a short goal line TD machine, and a good locker room guy.


Literally sounds like the worst RB of all time.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793387/article/latavius-murray-signs-with-minnesota-vikings

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It's a three-year deal worth roughly $15 million, sources told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.


Ehh, not the worst.
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He's 6'3" and 230lbs and ran a 4.38 40, but he doesn't play fast, is not explosive, runs with no balance, no physicality, no power, no toughness, no shiftiness, doesn't break tackles, is easily taken down, doesn't make people missed, has poor vision, doesn't offer much in the pass game besides making simple short catches, and his ball security is questionable, but it did got better. What you get is a good pass blocking RB, a short goal line TD machine, and a good locker room guy.


Literally sounds like the worst RB of all time.


Let me update this a bit more optimistically for you, some Raider fans just blow out of proportion every play a guy misses.

Above average pass blocker.
Big and fast, but sometimes misses extra yards in the open field. Some guys have that home run TD instinct, Murray doesn't really. But he can and will get big play chunks. For a guy his size, he'll do that exceptionally.
Inconsistent use of size. Sometimes he goes down too easily, but sometimes he does use his size in a punishing way. It's just less often than you would hope considering his size.
Inconsistent receiver. Better this past year. Sometimes good, sometimes mental drops. This is a team wide problem which makes me think Carr throw a very fast ball with a fast release and everyone has trouble with how quickly it arrives. The prior year Murray was terrible. This past year, much much better.
Jump cut ability is excellent for his size and speed is enough to make the corner too.
He won't absolutely take over a game. But when we needed a physical runner against KC in the first game in the mud and rain, we missed his presence a great deal.
Not elite like a guy like Bell or prime Peterson, but better than average. He lacks that elite trait for a running back, which is that special something that only that player can do the way he does it. Like Bell's patience, or M. Lynch's refusal to go down.
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Ben Goessling‏ @GoesslingESPN
Murray has a $5.15 million base salary in 2018, which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster on the 3rd day of the '18 league year.

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Should be a cap hit of $2.956 million in 2017 for Murray.

So this is really a 1 year, $3M contract with a team option after that.
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Heimdallr wrote:
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Ben Goessling‏ @GoesslingESPN
Murray has a $5.15 million base salary in 2018, which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster on the 3rd day of the '18 league year.

gopherwrestler wrote:
Ben Goessling‏ @GoesslingESPN
Should be a cap hit of $2.956 million in 2017 for Murray.

So this is really a 1 year, $3M contract with a team option after that.


Good deal. That's what we paid for Burkhead.
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Heimdallr wrote:
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Ben Goessling‏ @GoesslingESPN
Murray has a $5.15 million base salary in 2018, which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster on the 3rd day of the '18 league year.

gopherwrestler wrote:
Ben Goessling‏ @GoesslingESPN
Should be a cap hit of $2.956 million in 2017 for Murray.

So this is really a 1 year, $3M contract with a team option after that.


Pretty much the definition of a "prove it" deal.
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