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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McKinnon has been WAY closer to Peterson in terms of talent since the day he arrived here than people are willing to admit. The OL was terrible in 2016, but that didn't stop him from looking like our best RB in every game & heating up towards the end of the season.

He was good catching the ball out of the backfield, but not someone I'd want to be the guy on first and second downs.
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McKinnon is good in a limited role, but I don't know if that warrants him being brought back at 5M/ (assuming that's the average)

I like him, but he shouldn't be that hard to replace.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteelKing728 wrote:
McKinnon is good in a limited role, but I don't know if that warrants him being brought back at 5M/ (assuming that's the average)

I like him, but he shouldn't be that hard to replace.


I'm not sure if you're referring to signing a FA or drafting a replacement.

The thought process of a successful GM is to pay those who performed, cut or allow to leave those who didn't, draft to replace aging or underperforming players, and only sign FAs to replace players when necessary - rather than as a first thought. In other words, a GM shouldn't create a hole because it is easy to fill it.

I think there are more important issues for Spielman to address in 2018; e.g. re-signing young players who performed well, and extending Bradford - assuming he performs well in 2017.
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SteelKing728 wrote:
McKinnon is good in a limited role, but I don't know if that warrants him being brought back at 5M/ (assuming that's the average)

I like him, but he shouldn't be that hard to replace.


I wouldn't bring him back at that price. He hasn't yet developed the skills to be a third down RB and he's struggled to be the primary RB. He's a reliever and a decent change of pace RB. A RB like McKinnon isn't hard to find in the draft. It was a poor pick at the time but he's not a bad player to have on your roster. I'd prefer to let him walk when the time comes unless he proves capable as a third down RB.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be really interested to see the snap breakdowns at RB. Murray has the skill set to be a 3-down back imo.
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I'll be really interested to see the snap breakdowns at RB. Murray has the skill set to be a 3-down back imo.


It may be that either McKinnon or Murray could be a 3-down back - - - if the OL improves over 2016. McKinnon had a fairly high yds/ carry avg two years ago... close to 5.0 for a good portion of the year, which seemed surprising at the time. That OL was much better than the 2016 OL (when no RB had any success).

Success of Bradford throwing the ball will also open up running room for the RBs.

Finally, the completed morphing of the NorVikes O into a distinct Shurmur O may improve the running game.
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It may be that either McKinnon or Murray could be a 3-down back - - - if the OL improves over 2016. McKinnon had a fairly high yds/ carry avg two years ago... close to 5.0 for a good portion of the year, which seemed surprising at the time. That OL was much better than the 2016 OL (when no RB had any success).

Success of Bradford throwing the ball will also open up running room for the RBs.

Finally, the completed morphing of the NorVikes O into a distinct Shurmur O may improve the running game.

I don't believe McKinnon is a good enough pass blocker to be a three-down back.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think either back is a true every down back, but they are both fully caple of 2 of 3 snaps in a offensive rotation. So when the other comes in, he's going to bring a bolt of energy to the play. All we need is a work horse now like Samaje.
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Klomp wrote:
Purplexing wrote:
It may be that either McKinnon or Murray could be a 3-down back - - - if the OL improves over 2016. McKinnon had a fairly high yds/ carry avg two years ago... close to 5.0 for a good portion of the year, which seemed surprising at the time. That OL was much better than the 2016 OL (when no RB had any success).

Success of Bradford throwing the ball will also open up running room for the RBs.

Finally, the completed morphing of the NorVikes O into a distinct Shurmur O may improve the running game.

I don't believe McKinnon is a good enough pass blocker to be a three-down back.


Tradeoff; catches ball well in lieu of blocking well.

It's rare to find a RB who does everything well. Those would be called 'top of the 1st round picks'.

Someone posting far above is hung up on the 'need' to identify a 3-down RB. Why? RRBC works if the pair or trio have adequate skills among them.
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https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/latavius-murray

This is from his draft year. I still think it is funny that his closest comparison for his pro-day numbers is Adrian Peterson.
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https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/latavius-murray

This is from his draft year. I still think it is funny that his closest comparison for his pro-day numbers is Adrian Peterson.

yeah, but Toby Gerhart is a few notches down the list too.

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ZIMMER on Latavius: "Not having to substitute him out on third down, that's good...want to get him breaking tackles, getting long runs."

Sounding more like he will be "the guy" this year.
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gopherwrestler wrote:
ZIMMER on Latavius: "Not having to substitute him out on third down, that's good...want to get him breaking tackles, getting long runs."

Sounding more like he will be "the guy" this year.


Shot at Adrian?
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vikingsrule wrote:
gopherwrestler wrote:
ZIMMER on Latavius: "Not having to substitute him out on third down, that's good...want to get him breaking tackles, getting long runs."

Sounding more like he will be "the guy" this year.


Shot at Adrian?


That's sort of how I took it too
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gopherwrestler wrote:
ZIMMER on Latavius: "Not having to substitute him out on third down, that's good...want to get him breaking tackles, getting long runs."

Sounding more like he will be "the guy" this year.


I don't have a problem if we don't prioritize RB in the draft, and delay it to 2018. I'd prefer the high picks dedicated to RG/LB/OT/DT/SS anyways
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