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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom
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The rich get richer


Technically they just stayed rich on this one, no?


I would say they got poorer... less money to sign another player.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom
So they only have 5 draft picks from the last 5 years that are for sure starters? I'd say that's brutal but what do I know while Belichick kisses his 2nd ring in 3 years. Laughing
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Explain how he's a star.


He's definitely a top LB in this league. Was a pro-bowler and an 2nd team all pro last season. Every single move the Patriots have made this off-season, you've said is a bad one. Laughing You're not even worth responding to.

Explain how he's not a star? Because he doesn't make a ton of flashy plays? Guys made two of the biggest plays in the last two SB's the Patriots have played in. Literally the only knock on Hightower is his durability.

And Art_Vandalay, yes wake me up (and sit Gronk till) January.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

areksoo wrote:
Deadpulse wrote:
Tyty wrote:
The rich get richer


Technically they just stayed rich on this one, no?


I would say they got poorer... less money to sign another player.
It could be argued they did get poorer by having to play the same player that had last year a lot more then they were. That would be a stretch though. Good move for them to keep a guy that has been very good for the Patriots.
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goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom


Thanks, still interesting, I think. None of those other 4 are pro bowl caliber are they?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume the tough thing Hightower ran into is that he is pretty unique as a LB. He's not a true 3-4 OLB and while his coverage is good, he specializes as a blitzer. Not that Seattle had the money to sign him, but even if we did have all the cap in the world I don't think we would have pursued him. He's a hell of a player but certainly fits a specific scheme best
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Ketchup wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom
So they only have 5 draft picks from the last 5 years that are for sure starters? I'd say that's brutal but what do I know while Belichick kisses his 2nd ring in 3 years. Laughing


1. I wouldn't say Jordan Richards and Grissom have rotational roles.

2. If you extend past 5-years, the Patriots have other starters they drafted. Solder, Cannon, Edelman, Chung. Further, if you include UDFA, Andrews, Butler. I don't see what the nark is? The Patriots have plenty of homegrown talent.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wackywabbit wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom


Thanks, still interesting, I think. None of those other 4 are pro bowl caliber are they?


Trey Flowers, potentially. We'll see how he responds to being "the guy".
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketchup wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom
So they only have 5 draft picks from the last 5 years that are for sure starters?
In the last 4 years they've only had 2 picks in the top 50. I'd encourage you to look up how many players drafted outside the top-50 over that span are starting on each team.
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1ForTheThumb wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom


Thanks, still interesting, I think. None of those other 4 are pro bowl caliber are they?


Trey Flowers, potentially. We'll see how he responds to being "the guy".
He was "the guy" for a majority of last season.
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MWil23 wrote:
Art_Vandalay wrote:
Being the Patriots is like playing Madden on Rookie level. Nothing's challenging and you stockpile all of the talent during the offseason.

Pats fans, do you guys even get excited anymore? I feel like I'd be all, "Meh, wake me up in January."


Seriously?

Have you missed all of the apologists on this site? They'll always find something to gripe about/defend. They're obnoxiously relentless. Laughing


I've been wrestling with this word for several minutes - and I can only conclude that either a) I, and everyone I know or have come into contact with, have been using this word wrong for nearly 30 years OR b)This sentence makes no sense.
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1ForTheThumb wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
I saw on the web that Hightower is the only Pats draft pick from the last 5 years who is going to start for them. Is that true?


No.

Joe Thuney
Malcom Brown
Trey Flowers
Shaq Mason

And the following guys having rotational roles:-
Vincent Valentine
Duron Harmon
James White
Malcolm Mitchell
Elandon Roberts
Jordan Richards
Geneo Grissom
So they only have 5 draft picks from the last 5 years that are for sure starters? I'd say that's brutal but what do I know while Belichick kisses his 2nd ring in 3 years. Laughing


1. I wouldn't say Jordan Richards and Grissom have rotational roles.

2. If you extend past 5-years, the Patriots have other starters they drafted. Solder, Cannon, Edelman, Chung. Further, if you include UDFA, Andrews, Butler. I don't see what the nark is? The Patriots have plenty of homegrown talent.


Yeah, kind of strange to me. Add in the players they've exchanged for draft capital -- Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins -- and the players they've gotten for draft capital -- Martellus Bennett, Dwayne Allen, Brandin Cooks, Kyle Van Noy, Eric Rowe, Barkevious Mingo, Kony Ealy -- and they are using draft picks fairly well. Mingo was a miss, but the rest of those guys were either big contributors in 2016 (Bennett, Van Noy, Rowe) or will be important players in 2017.
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It's not an insult that more of the talent doesn't come from draft and retention. Who cares, as long as the talent is there?

The Ravens have let a lot more of their own players walk and use free agency a lot more than say the Packers or Steelers, who rarely bring in outside guys. Different things that work.

Of course, the disclaimer I put when I asked the question was removed from my quote, so it could look more like a shot at the Pats.


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I agree. I just thought it was brought up to discredit the Patriots' FO as far as draft management goes, but sometimes draft management is about more than just the picks you make.
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