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7DnBrnc53


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject: More humor from Mark Kiszla Reply with quote

He indicates that Denver needs Romo to stay with NE:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/11/tony-romo-broncos-losing-ground/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see,

Pro Patriots:

- Better or rather actually proven coaching staff
- Better QB regardless of whether Romo ends up in Orange or Blue or not
- Better RB
- Better OL
- Deeper and more versatile WR corps
- Better TE
- Better DL

Equal:

- Secondaries, barring Butler leaving Foxborough

Pro Broncos:

- Better LB
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BroncoinGermany wrote:
Let's see,

Pro Patriots:

- Better or rather actually proven coaching staff
- Better QB regardless of whether Romo ends up in Orange or Blue or not
- Better RB
- Better OL
- Deeper and more versatile WR corps
- Better TE
- Better DL

Equal:

- Secondaries, barring Butler leaving Foxborough

Pro Broncos:

- Better LB


In no way does New England have a better secondary than Denver. I don't even think it's remotely arguable considering how insanely good our secondary has been the last two years. Everything else is true though.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
BroncoinGermany wrote:
Let's see,

Pro Patriots:

- Better or rather actually proven coaching staff
- Better QB regardless of whether Romo ends up in Orange or Blue or not
- Better RB
- Better OL
- Deeper and more versatile WR corps
- Better TE
- Better DL

Equal:

- Secondaries, barring Butler leaving Foxborough

Pro Broncos:

- Better LB


In no way does New England have a better secondary than Denver. I don't even think it's remotely arguable considering how insanely good our secondary has been the last two years. Everything else is true though.


I am saying that they are equal as long as Butler remains there, which according to latest twitter chatter is open.

Whereas Harris, Talib and Stewart carried the rock in 2017, Ward and Roby regressed a bit. New England, on the other hand, added Gilmore, thus far has kept Butler, and still does field McCourty.

Then again, Gilmore is a question mark and the Broncos have better safety depth with Simmons and Parks.

Alright, now that I am thinking about it, give the secondary to Denver, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't New England statistically have the best defense last season? smdh

Also eff da saints and panthers man
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, in all honesty NE may present a GS Warriors type insurmountable barrier and the best way to build this team may be a longer, true rebuild type road that prioritizes winning in 3 or so years when Brady retires.

Looking at our offseason vs NE's offseason got me like Brick wall Brick wall
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean, let's remember though, NE has a team light on FA signings which has allowed them to accumulate talent and not spend a bunch on FA until they need to or want to.

Unlike Denver, who is heavily invested in salaries from FA vs. draft contribution, starts to flip the script on operating model, I wouldn't expect many offseasons like NEs.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
- Better or rather actually proven coaching staff
- Better QB regardless of whether Romo ends up in Orange or Blue or not


Agree with both.

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- Better RB


C.J is better than Blount. And, while Lewis is better than Denver's second-string RB (unless they get McCaffrey), White is a system-type player who isn't that special.

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- Deeper and more versatile WR corps


Denver's top-2 are still better than their top-2. And, while they did get Cooks, I don't really see the fit. He is a downfield WR, and Brady doesn't throw deep too often.

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- Better DL


Kind of hard to compare, since Denver runs a 3-4 and NE runs a 4-3. The Broncos are better at edge rusher, but NE is better inside with Brown and Branch.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJ being better than Blount is debatable even if he could stay healthy.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

champ11 wrote:
CJ being better than Blount is debatable even if he could stay healthy.


Blount is a UFA though so it depends on who NE brings in regardless.

FWIW, the position-by-position comparison is fun, but misleading. As it's been pointed out, hard to separate the DL from the LB in a 3-4. They work together.

Rather than compare the parts, if we want to be serious on us vs. NE, it's how they all produce - run O, pass O, run D, pass D, ST, and then maybe intangibles (coaching being most of all)

Looking at it that way:

Pass O - gotta give NE, not even a Q.

Run O - gotta give the edge to NE, because their OL was so good last year. Why it remains crucial to fully upgrade our OL more than anything else.

Run D - why our run D upgrades are so important, NE kills us here unless we address our DL.

Pass D - no question we are the #1 unit in the land.

ST - we were bad last year - 20th, for a playoff contender that's unacceptable. Fortunately, we cleaned house coaching-staff wise, so we can hopefully close the gap.

Intangibles - gotta give that always to Brady & BB

When you look at it the way above, OL & run D upgrades were where we needed and still need help (Leary helps at G, and if healthy <big if>, Watson upgrades RT). We won't ever win in the pass O and intangibles vs. NE, but we could be better in the other 4 areas. The reason why we give NE such a hard time is that our pass D is so good (it negates their strongest part), but why a team like the Raiders (with their power run game) just killed us until they lost Carr in Rd 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
BroncoinGermany wrote:
Let's see,

Pro Patriots:

- Better or rather actually proven coaching staff
- Better QB regardless of whether Romo ends up in Orange or Blue or not
- Better RB
- Better OL
- Deeper and more versatile WR corps
- Better TE
- Better DL

Equal:

- Secondaries, barring Butler leaving Foxborough

Pro Broncos:

- Better LB


In no way does New England have a better secondary than Denver. I don't even think it's remotely arguable considering how insanely good our secondary has been the last two years. Everything else is true though.


I was about to say. I'm not sure there's a better secondary in league history than what we've rolled out over the last two seasons.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7DnBrnc53 wrote:
Quote:
- Better or rather actually proven coaching staff
- Better QB regardless of whether Romo ends up in Orange or Blue or not


Agree with both.

Quote:
- Better RB


C.J is better than Blount. And, while Lewis is better than Denver's second-string RB (unless they get McCaffrey), White is a system-type player who isn't that special.

Quote:
- Deeper and more versatile WR corps


Denver's top-2 are still better than their top-2. And, while they did get Cooks, I don't really see the fit. He is a downfield WR, and Brady doesn't throw deep too often.



They're not going to get the full effect of his field stretching ability because of Brady's arm. They will use him however the same way they use all their receivers - quick hits and scheming to maximize YAC, and in this area, Cooks brings athleticism and ability after the catch far superior to anyone they have on their roster. So it is a significant upgrade for their WR corp, especially the way Edelman and Amendola are always hurt.

You can argue that Denver has better talent at the position, to that I'd agree, but New England schemes their WR's into success better than any team ever has.
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