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gopackgo247


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCPackFan wrote:
packfanfb wrote:
I mean we pretty much have to right? Throw a G in there as well for the first four picks. Unless we add anyone else between now and the draft we are razor thin at G, RB and OLB and need a CB as well.


That's pretty much how I feel as well. Some people here seem to think we need to draft multiple CB's with the first 3 picks, which I do not object to. Just feeling things out here with that question.



If Humphrey falls to us we can use 2nd pick on EDGE and 3rd on RB.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidatMIZZOU wrote:
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The longer AP is on the market the lower his price goes.

With the Vikings essentially saying bye to him hes not going back there.

Can someone explain why he would/wouldnt be a good fit for this team.

Hes been so good for so long. Theres not much bad said about his game.


I think both he and the Packers could adapt the scheme to better fit him. I don't see him as an effective back out of the pistol type stuff the Packers do. He's really more of an I Back. I also think his blocking, and pass receiving is poor. Montgomery could handle 3rd down responsibilities though. I'd sure bring him in if the money was right.


Didn't Montgomery struggle with the blocking part of being a RB as well?

I'm skeptical of Adrian Peterson's ability to help this offense. When Vikings fans have criticized his usefulness in the passing game, I believe them. I don't think it is sour grapes, or a psychological ploy for Packers fans not to want him. The guy was a great player, maybe he still is. But this team would be better with Marshall Faulk than with Emmitt Smith.


I don't think AP would be a good fit for our offense either. As someone here said in the Lacy thread when we get rolling we don't want to substitute people and most of the time Peterson left on obvious passing downs in MN.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way the Packers bring in AP and heres why.

#1 Wrong side of 30 with injury concerns.

#2 Worst hands than Starks can't catch a beach ball.

#3 He fumbles. Mac values ball security.

#4 RB rich draft. Better production for less $$$.

#5 Most important protection. He's terrible in that area and will get
Arod killed.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have a feeling we're signing Charles. I feel like the plan heading into next year is to be so good on offense that we can play defense like 2011 and just hope for more turnovers instead of being afraid defensively.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think maybe we might use 3 safeties a bit more next year with Burnett close to the ball like we used to do with Woodson and Brice taking Burnetts spot. That depends on Brice taking a step up but it's an option.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty disappointed we didn't land Barwin he just made so much sense for our defense. We are essentially putting the fate of the D in the hands of two of the most injury prone edge rushers in the league. Clay is good for his 5 games in street cloths and Perry is always playing hurt and only played 16 games one time in his pro career.

So who's gonna make up Peppers production? I know Ted lives and dies by the draft but can you name me any rookie edge 3-4 edge rushers not named Vonn Miller. Khalil Mack and Clay Matthews who's made a big impact his rookie season?


Barwin is proven and would've added good veteran depth. Fackrell is not ready and Elliott hasn't shown anything outside of preseason.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jsitton71# wrote:
can you name me any rookie edge 3-4 edge rushers not named Vonn Miller. Khalil Mack and Clay Matthews who's made a big impact his rookie season?

It's been happening a lot lately.

Bosa, Buckner, Floyd, Ogbah, Spence, Preston Smith and Kikaha (Saints, don't know spelling). Those are all guys from the past two years who had significant pass rushing impacts in their rookie years. There are a bunch more like Shane Rey who had impacts as situational/rotational pass rushers, too.

I'm right there with you worrying about our pass rush with only Matthews, Perry, Fackrell and Elliot on our roster right now, but I'm confident a rookie can be effective. And when it comes to our defense, it seems like we could definitely use an injection of youth and athleticism at the position.

That's why I won't possibly be upset with this upcoming draft if we take a cornerback and pass rusher or CB/Pass rusher and Jabril Peppers in the first three rounds.

I'm honestly starting to wonder whether or not our pass coverage and our pass rush would improve if our ILB pass coverage improved. So basically I guess... I'd feel okay with any defensive position in round one and round two.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HorizontoZenith wrote:
I still have a feeling we're signing Charles. I feel like the plan heading into next year is to be so good on offense that we can play defense like 2011 and just hope for more turnovers instead of being afraid defensively.


That won't work just like it didn't in 2011. A 15-1 season wasted because our defense was soft af and was exposed when it mattered. Furthermore, you may be right that that is the plan but if it is, what does that say about our leadership? Instead of addressing the problem, just cover it up? How about just fixing the defense?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jsitton71# wrote:
I'm pretty disappointed we didn't land Barwin he just made so much sense for our defense. We are essentially putting the fate of the D in the hands of two of the most injury prone edge rushers in the league. Clay is good for his 5 games in street cloths and Perry is always playing hurt and only played 16 games one time in his pro career.

So who's gonna make up Peppers production? I know Ted lives and dies by the draft but can you name me any rookie edge 3-4 edge rushers not named Vonn Miller. Khalil Mack and Clay Matthews who's made a big impact his rookie season?


Barwin is proven and would've added good veteran depth. Fackrell is not ready and Elliott hasn't shown anything outside of preseason.


Preaching to the choir. Not only needing to replace Peppers' production but Shields as well. Maybe House can be our No. 1?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our defense will be fine just for the simple fact that we won't be lining up a 5th corner on #1 receivers in 2017. Be patient and realize that health was the reason why our defense failed last year.

House, Randall, Rollins, draft pick and Gunter will be just fine. I also expect Kentrell Brice to fill Hyde's role if we don't draft a safety.

Honestly, I'd die if we went Conley, King and then an EDGE in the draft. That would be absolutely perfect for us. King would be insane in the Hyde role. Desmond King, btw, not Kevin.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkobow05 wrote:
Our defense will be fine just for the simple fact that we won't be lining up a 5th corner on #1 receivers in 2017. Be patient and realize that health was the reason why our defense failed last year.

House, Randall, Rollins, draft pick and Gunter will be just fine. I also expect Kentrell Brice to fill Hyde's role if we don't draft a safety.

Honestly, I'd die if we went Conley, King and then an EDGE in the draft. That would be absolutely perfect for us. King would be insane in the Hyde role. Desmond King, btw, not Kevin.


This is the unknown though which is scary, was it really JUST health? For instance, if this was back in 2011ish and Shields and Tramon had just gone through the season banged up, I'd say yes, poor play was due to health because Shields and Tramon were proven CBs when healthy. Can we say that about Randall and Rollins? What if their terrible play was enhanced by injury but really they just arent very good either? We just don't know I guess, which is what makes it more a gamble to simply say we will be fine once they come in healthy this year. Another reason I think that in addition to House, at the very least we need to go CB in round 1 or 2. Then...hopefully it was just about health, Randall and Rollins ball out and we have minimum 3-4 solid CBs this year.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bkobow05 wrote:
Our defense will be fine just for the simple fact that we won't be lining up a 5th corner on #1 receivers in 2017. Be patient and realize that health was the reason why our defense failed last year.

House, Randall, Rollins, draft pick and Gunter will be just fine. I also expect Kentrell Brice to fill Hyde's role if we don't draft a safety.

Honestly, I'd die if we went Conley, King and then an EDGE in the draft. That would be absolutely perfect for us. King would be insane in the Hyde role. Desmond King, btw, not Kevin.


Good post. Agree with most everything you said. I think it's increasingly unlikely we go CB-CB. We have to take one but now I'm doubting we double down. We need to invest our resources elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to see it with GB this year on defense but right now I see it as classic TT. Players that didn't pan out or earn their contract were let go and will once again be filled by rookies and UDFAs. Constantly getting younger and cheaper, and constantly a few players short every year.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

packfanfb wrote:
Can we say that about Randall and Rollins? What if their terrible play was enhanced by injury but really they just arent very good either? We just don't know I guess
Yes we do. We have a whole different year to look at and both Rollins and Randall were very solid as rookies when healthy.

We lost our #1 CB early on in the year and then our #2 and #4 (if you consider Hyde our #3) got banged up almost immediately after. The slide in defensive performance began right after. So, yes, we can attribute the poor corner play to health more than talent.
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packfanfb wrote:
Preaching to the choir. Not only needing to replace Peppers' production but Shields as well. Maybe House can be our No. 1?


Considering Shield played in only one game last year, I'd say replacing his production should be easy. All House has to do is be healthy, and he's an upgrade over House. As I said before, we don't need a true #1 corner (although, it'd be nice). We need stability at corner. We had a litany of injuries at the position, and we essentially had to rely on an UDFA (Gunter) as our #1 corner playing against receivers who physically were on another level than him. I'm not sure anyone could do a better job than what Gunter did all things considered. Just by being healthy, and maybe adding another body or two we're in much, much better shape than we were last year.

As for replacing Peppers, his role was already diminishing in Green Bay. He went from being the starting OLB opposite of Clay to essentially what was a pass rushing specialist.
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