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G08


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Jamal Adams - S - LSU Reply with quote

I didn't see a thread dedicated to this kid, but if there is one please feel free to merge this with it.

For anyone who has really dug into this kid, I wanted to get your thoughts on him and ask if you were a GM, what would be your reasons for (or against) taking him as a top 4 pick.

I'm of the opinion safeties aren't overly important in the NFL. Yes they play a role and rare ones like Earl Thomas and Eric Berry can slam passing windows shut with their combination of pattern recognition and speed. Do you think Jamal Adams is in that tier? Where would you consider him to be elite?

Hoping to get some discussion flowing... thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adams upside is Reshad Jones
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been skeptical on Adams since his hype train took off. I think he's a perfectly competent box safety in the NFL who can also play 2-high. His best trait is his effort and motor to make plays outside of his area of responsibility in the run game. He's not an exceptional athlete, which often helps at the safety position, but he isn't a bad one either. I like him him most as a hook zone player who can impact the run game. The player he reminds me of most is former Arizona Cardinal, Tony Jefferson.

I, personally, wouldn't consider a top 5 prospect in this draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why he should go in the top 4:

He's as fundamentally sound a player as you'll ever find.
Supreme character and leadership abilities.
Versatile enough to play in the box or as a high safety.
Incredible angles in run support.
Capable of blitzing and playing with the fat boys in the trenches.
Does not miss tackles or blow assignments.


Why he shouldn't go in the top 4:

He's not a special athlete.
He doesn't bait the QB as a deep safety.
Does not make spectacular plays/hits.


Verdict:

I'd take him in the top 4 all day in just about any draft.




NFL Comparison:

Slightly less athletic Brian Dawkins
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a big fan of Adams so I would definitely take him top 4. He's in consideration for me with the Niners #2 pick. People saying he lacks athleticism are trippin he had a very solid combine and his play shows that he's able to do it in pads too not just shorts. He's not the free ranging center fielder Hooker is so people associate that as a flaw for Adams but they play differently and different roles depending on the coverage. Jamal Adams is as good as it gets
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking a safety in the top 5 is crazy in most years. Taking a safety this year with how loaded this class looks is totally INSANE. I like Jamal Adams. In fact my pro comparison for him now is Lawyer Milloy. And like Milloy, I think he can be a pro-bowl player for many years. However, I would not take him in the top 5. His value is more in the 10-20 range. I would rather grab an elite defensive lineman early in this year's draft because I don't think it has the depth that the safety class has.

IMO you can find great safeties in this year's draft all way in the 3rd round. For example, one of my favorite prospects in this class is John Johnson (Boston College). I have him rated right there with Jamal Adams. I'm guessing Johnson will be available in the late 3rd to early 4th round. I would rather grab a elite defensive lineman like Solomon Thomas in the top 5 and then address my safety needs with John Johnson in the 3rd round.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanS wrote:
Taking a safety in the top 5 is crazy in most years. Taking a safety this year with how loaded this class looks is totally INSANE. I like Jamal Adams. In fact my pro comparison for him now is Lawyer Milloy. And like Milloy, I think he can be a pro-bowl player for many years. However, I would not take him in the top 5. His value is more in the 10-20 range. I would rather grab an elite defensive lineman early in this year's draft because I don't think it has the depth that the safety class has.

IMO you can find great safeties in this year's draft all way in the 3rd round. For example, one of my favorite prospects in this class is John Johnson (Boston College). I have him rated right there with Jamal Adams. I'm guessing Johnson will be available in the late 3rd to early 4th round. I would rather grab a elite defensive lineman like Solomon Thomas in the top 5 and then address my safety needs with John Johnson in the 3rd round.


That's how I feel as well... I don't care if he winds up being a top 10 safety in the NFL... I just can't justify taking that at #3 overall.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuckIsGOAT wrote:
Adams upside is Reshad Jones


I've been beating the"move R. Jones to WLB" drum this offseason.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G08 wrote:
VanS wrote:
Taking a safety in the top 5 is crazy in most years. Taking a safety this year with how loaded this class looks is totally INSANE. I like Jamal Adams. In fact my pro comparison for him now is Lawyer Milloy. And like Milloy, I think he can be a pro-bowl player for many years. However, I would not take him in the top 5. His value is more in the 10-20 range. I would rather grab an elite defensive lineman early in this year's draft because I don't think it has the depth that the safety class has.

IMO you can find great safeties in this year's draft all way in the 3rd round. For example, one of my favorite prospects in this class is John Johnson (Boston College). I have him rated right there with Jamal Adams. I'm guessing Johnson will be available in the late 3rd to early 4th round. I would rather grab a elite defensive lineman like Solomon Thomas in the top 5 and then address my safety needs with John Johnson in the 3rd round.


That's how I feel as well... I don't care if he winds up being a top 10 safety in the NFL... I just can't justify taking that at #3 overall.


Jeez. When did people start undervaluing safeties so much? Great ones are huge difference makers.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVV56meJ-fk

Great breakdown on Adams, I highly suggest watching if you think your team may need a safety in the top 10.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think this draft is top heavy. I think it's very deep. I don't have a lot of really high grades. So Jamal Adams going in the top 10 doesn't bother me at all. Adams doesn't have injury concerns and has impeccable football character unlike quite a few players considered high picks. He's pretty clean. He's a good player. I don't care what position he plays. I grade players on talent. I don't have a scheme. Someone will be very happy with him.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be a top-10 Safety, I think you need to show elite athleticism or an elite combination of coverage, range, and ball skills. Hooker is a top-5 pick. Adams is a 1st RD Safety, but top-10 is very rich for a SS, who is just pretty good in the pass game. Good player, but how much better is he than Josh Jones? Specifically, what does he do that Josh Jones does not? John Johnson is another S that can do just about everything that Adams does. Both, currently, are projected in the 3rd or later.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Marcus Williams drafted before Adams. He creates more TO's, is better in coverage, and is the superior athlete. He's also about a year younger than Adams.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

indigo_rex wrote:
A top-10 is very rich for a SS, who is just pretty good in the pass game.

If he ends up having an impact similar to Landon Collins I don't think anyone will care.

indigo_rex wrote:
What does Jamal Adams do that Josh Jones does not?

I would say the main thing that differentiates them is maturity, accountability and leadership. Adams came to LSU, played right away and was an instant leader. Jones has had noted issues with maturity, work habits and accountability during his time there. That's one of the reasons why Adams is so highly thought of when players like him typically are rated a little lower. NFL teams can't wait to bring in players like Adams. They elevate everyone around them, help the culture, and they making a coaches life easier.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CalhounLambeau wrote:
indigo_rex wrote:
A top-10 is very rich for a SS, who is just pretty good in the pass game.

If he ends up having an impact similar to Landon Collins I don't think anyone will care.

indigo_rex wrote:
What does Jamal Adams do that Josh Jones does not?

I would say the main thing that differentiates them is maturity, accountability and leadership. Adams came to LSU, played right away and was an instant leader. Jones has had noted issues with maturity, work habits and accountability during his time there. That's one of the reasons why Adams is so highly thought of when players like him typically are rated a little lower. NFL teams can't wait to bring in players like Adams. They elevate everyone around them, help the culture, and they making a coaches life easier.


On top of what Calhoun said, Jones has some hesitation in his game that Adams doesn't. That hesitation can lead to split second decisions not being made or a few crucial yards given up in the box and so on. In a game where every inch counts this is a big deal... Adams processes plays faster and has better instincts it is extremely clear on tape when watching both of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive been saying I expect Marcus Williams to sneak into the back half of round one for a while. Could see him being an Oakland or Atlanta pick even after both went safety last year in the first.
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