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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fattlipp wrote:
Wouldn't you rather move Randall to Safety than Rollins?
His best trait is as a poor mans Earl Thomas type centerfielder.


Nope.

Randall has shown he can be an NFL starter at CB.

Rollins hasn't shown much of anything on the boundary. He really struggles with his back to the QB and that's a trait that's extremely difficult to overcome especially when you are mildly speed deficient.

Listing Rollins at safety is actually somewhat of a misnomer because I still think he has the ability to be a high level slot guy. Perhaps I should have listed him on both lists and then underlined his name?
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NCPackFan wrote:
Throw out the Jones, House, Barclay, and Webster signings and I'm totally on board as well. Not a Hodges fan, especially that early. I think we should focus on going pass rush there or DL despite the Senderrick Marks signing. I like what you did later in the draft for the mostpart, in particular the Myers and Williams picks. With Lacy coming back and Monty running as a slashing technician, it's nice to stick some speed back there with Williams.


I'm not going to split hairs over Jones and Barclay, but you really want to roll into next season with some combination of Conley, Randall, Rollins, Langley, Gunter, Dorleant, Hawkins, Goodson and Waters at CB?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cadmus wrote:
fattlipp wrote:
Wouldn't you rather move Randall to Safety than Rollins?
His best trait is as a poor mans Earl Thomas type centerfielder.


Nope.

Randall has shown he can be an NFL starter at CB.

Rollins hasn't shown much of anything on the boundary. He really struggles with his back to the QB and that's a trait that's extremely difficult to overcome especially when you are mildly speed deficient.

Listing Rollins at safety is actually somewhat of a misnomer because I still think he has the ability to be a high level slot guy. Perhaps I should have listed him on both lists and then underlined his name?


he has also showed he can NOT be, guess we will see if he has a comeback season, no way I see him as a starter in your scenario, much less the #1. House/Webster/Conley/Rollins/Randall/Gunter/Hawkins
Randall was a FS in college, and he should be moved back there asap, IMO, maybe if we move to a cover 2 scheme, but he is awful in man.

I like Rollins in the slot , and think Randall would make a excellent FS and allow us to move Morgan to ILB on 3rd downs. Gunter could be a FS as well before Rollins IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fattlipp wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
fattlipp wrote:
Wouldn't you rather move Randall to Safety than Rollins?
His best trait is as a poor mans Earl Thomas type centerfielder.


Nope.

Randall has shown he can be an NFL starter at CB.

Rollins hasn't shown much of anything on the boundary. He really struggles with his back to the QB and that's a trait that's extremely difficult to overcome especially when you are mildly speed deficient.

Listing Rollins at safety is actually somewhat of a misnomer because I still think he has the ability to be a high level slot guy. Perhaps I should have listed him on both lists and then underlined his name?


he has also showed he can NOT be, guess we will see if he has a comeback season, no way I see him as a starter in your scenario, much less the #1. House/Webster/Conley/Rollins/Randall/Gunter/Hawkins
Randall was a FS in college, and he should be moved back there asap, IMO, maybe if we move to a cover 2 scheme, but he is awful in man.

I like Rollins in the slot , and think Randall would make a excellent FS and allow us to move Morgan to ILB on 3rd downs. Gunter could be a FS as well before Rollins IMO.


Yeah, it wasn't necessarily listed as a depth chart.

I just put him there because he was the first guy that came to mind, although I think any of House/Webster/Conley/Randall could develop into the eventual #1 by the end of the season.
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Cadmus wrote:
Listing Rollins at safety is actually somewhat of a misnomer because I still think he has the ability to be a high level slot guy.


he has also showed he can NOT be


Jesus, this forum is deprived of any perspective at times.
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That's an awful lot of free agency for Ted Thompson.


It's definitely an ideal scenario, but I don't see us adding three external pieces and bringing back Lang, Lacy, Cook, and Perry.


I was thinking the same thing. If Ted brings Lang, Cook and Lacy back that might be the end of any more FA activity for us. Neutral
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope.

Randall has shown he can be an NFL starter at CB.

Rollins hasn't shown much of anything on the boundary. He really struggles with his back to the QB and that's a trait that's extremely difficult to overcome especially when you are mildly speed deficient.

Listing Rollins at safety is actually somewhat of a misnomer because I still think he has the ability to be a high level slot guy. Perhaps I should have listed him on both lists and then underlined his name?


This is exactly where I stand. Both guys were beat up last season and it showed on the field at times. We need a boundary CB to match with Randall, you let Rollins' ball skills win matchups in the slot, and you find a guy from that Safety position that can take on the Hyde role. Not saying Rollins can't be that guy, but I think Brice or HaHa could be those guys.


On the other hand, Obi Melifonwu may be an interesting option somewhere in this draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fattlipp wrote:
Wouldn't you rather move Randall to Safety than Rollins?
His best trait is as a poor mans Earl Thomas type centerfielder.

Maybe have him fill the Woodson then Hyde slot/safety/do-it-all DB role. That makes sense to me.
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fattlipp wrote:
Wouldn't you rather move Randall to Safety than Rollins?
His best trait is as a poor mans Earl Thomas type centerfielder.

Maybe have him fill the Woodson then Hyde slot/safety/do-it-all DB role. That makes sense to me.


Randall or Rollins?
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Throw out the Jones, House, Barclay, and Webster signings and I'm totally on board as well. Not a Hodges fan, especially that early. I think we should focus on going pass rush there or DL despite the Senderrick Marks signing. I like what you did later in the draft for the mostpart, in particular the Myers and Williams picks. With Lacy coming back and Monty running as a slashing technician, it's nice to stick some speed back there with Williams.


Tell me why not Kayvon, and House. I'm all ears.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fattlipp wrote:
Cadmus wrote:
fattlipp wrote:
Wouldn't you rather move Randall to Safety than Rollins?
His best trait is as a poor mans Earl Thomas type centerfielder.


Nope.

Randall has shown he can be an NFL starter at CB.

Rollins hasn't shown much of anything on the boundary. He really struggles with his back to the QB and that's a trait that's extremely difficult to overcome especially when you are mildly speed deficient.

Listing Rollins at safety is actually somewhat of a misnomer because I still think he has the ability to be a high level slot guy. Perhaps I should have listed him on both lists and then underlined his name?


he has also showed he can NOT be, guess we will see if he has a comeback season, no way I see him as a starter in your scenario, much less the #1. House/Webster/Conley/Rollins/Randall/Gunter/Hawkins
Randall was a FS in college, and he should be moved back there asap, IMO, maybe if we move to a cover 2 scheme, but he is awful in man.

I like Rollins in the slot , and think Randall would make a excellent FS and allow us to move Morgan to ILB on 3rd downs. Gunter could be a FS as well before Rollins IMO.


Uninjured?

Can't buy he needs to go there "ASAP" either.

It's really Adams all over again, BUT Randall has issues at CB, he does a lot of things ugly still.
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