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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kparty69 wrote:
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Peterson seems to have left Seattle without a contract. I wonder where his next stop will be?


MN? I am still betting on a reunion. Not that I endorse it...


I am 100% for resigning him! Even a 32 year old Peterson coming off a season lost to injury is way better than Lacy and Charles! We just need more consistent line play for him.


Does he have the ability to break one loose for a touchdown more than Lacy? Probably.

Can he run out of the shotgun like Lacy? No
Can he block like Lacy? No
Is he as good as a pass catcher as Lacy? No

Does he fit the offense we want to run? No.

If we decided to go back to running the deep-I and brought back a solid run blocking FB like we had with Felton, then yes, maybe I would be for bringing him back.

In a shotgun offense, the usage of a blocking RB in this system it makes no sense. Out of shotgun he is more of a liability than an asset. He drops balls, he can not pick up a blitz, and well he just can't run the ball out of shotgun.

In a power run blocking scheme we can't have a RB that pauses like Peterson and Bell do at the line of scrimmage.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gopherwrestler wrote:
kparty69 wrote:
PrplChilPill wrote:
gopherwrestler wrote:
Peterson seems to have left Seattle without a contract. I wonder where his next stop will be?


MN? I am still betting on a reunion. Not that I endorse it...


I am 100% for resigning him! Even a 32 year old Peterson coming off a season lost to injury is way better than Lacy and Charles! We just need more consistent line play for him.


Does he have the ability to break one loose for a touchdown for Lacy? Probably.

Can he run out of the shotgun like Lacy? No
Can he block like Lacy? No
Is he as good as a pass catcher as Lacy? No

Does he fit the offense we want to run? No.

If we decided to go back to running the deep-I and brought back a solid run blocking FB like we had with Felton, then yes, maybe I would be for bringing him back.

In a shotgun offense, the usage of a blocking RB in this system it makes no sense. Out of shotgun he is more of a liability than an asset. He drops balls, he can not pick up a blitz, and well he just can't run the ball out of shotgun.

In a power run blocking scheme we can't have a RB that pauses like Peterson and Bell do at the line of scrimmage.


Exactly. What do you guys think about trading a 3rd rounder for Jeremy Hill?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do you guys think about trading a 3rd rounder for Jeremy Hill?


Well he isn't going to be an every down back. He isn't far from what McKinnon is. He also is a big work in project in pass protection. But he is very exceptional out of shotgun whether it is running or passing the ball.

To me, I'd still prefer to use the RB situation for the draft. If it's a free agent I want a nice short yardage back. Someone who can pick up those couple of yards if we run it. Redzone on the 2 yard line and we need a score type running back.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think AP will be back with us, even though I prefer not
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think AP will be back with us, even though I prefer not


I hope not..
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There goes Patterson to the Raiders..... Sad Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There goes Patterson to the Raiders..... Sad Sad


Yeah this one is a big bummer to me.
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There goes Patterson to the Raiders..... Sad Sad


Yeah this one is a big bummer to me.


Maybe their Eden Prairie native of an OC can figure out how to use him.
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Some info on the structure of the contract is now available:

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Kalil has guaranteed salaries of $1 million and $11 million in his first two seasons in Charlotte. His $11 million base in 2018 is nearly identical to what he made in 2016 in his final season in Minnesota.

Kalil’s $7 million salary for 2019 is guaranteed if he’s injured, and fully guaranteed if he’s on the roster on the third day of the 2019 league year. He has base salaries of $10 million in 2020 and $10.5 million in 2021, when Kalil will be 32.

Cap hits:

2017: $3.4M
2018: $5.9M
2019: $11.9M
2020: $14.9M
2021: $15.4M

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/nfl-blog/article138322628.html#storylink=cpy


So looks like it's heavily back-loaded with the ability to cut him after 2 seasons if he doesn't pan out in what would essentially amount to a 2-year $25million deal. Still a lot, but not as risky as it looked a few days ago.

It might actually be worse. If you cut him and make it a 2/25 and cut him after 2nd year, it would come with a dead cap hit of 14.7M. Nothing about this contract or signing is good in any way. Could have had a Whitworth, at much less risk, a clearly higher level of play, and only risk is slight regression due to age. Which would still put him in top half of LTs in the league. Now, we have to pray that Kalil's injuries were the reason he sucked for 4 years, and that he's healthy now.

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It might actually be worse. If you cut him and make it a 2/25 and cut him after 2nd year, it would come with a dead cap hit of 14.7M. Nothing about this contract or signing is good in any way. Could have had a Whitworth, at much less risk, a clearly higher level of play, and only risk is slight regression due to age. Which would still put him in top half of LTs in the league. Now, we have to pray that Kalil's injuries were the reason he sucked for 4 years, and that he's healthy now.



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latavius Murray hasn't signed yet right? I didn't recall.

He might be cheaper than AP or Lacy
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Latavius Murray hasn't signed yet right? I didn't recall.

He might be cheaper than AP or Lacy


I'm not sure if there have really been many RBs signed anywhere. Danny Woodhead is the only one of any significance, as he signed with Baltimore.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oddly some Fullbacks got real money, but I don't think any "top" RBs have signed at all.
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PrplChilPill wrote:
Oddly some Fullbacks got real money, but I don't think any "top" RBs have signed at all.

I don't think any of the teams that have had a running back in for a visit want to flinch first and set the market.

Very telling on what teams think of the running back position.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SemperFeist wrote:
PrplChilPill wrote:
Oddly some Fullbacks got real money, but I don't think any "top" RBs have signed at all.

I don't think any of the teams that have had a running back in for a visit want to flinch first and set the market.

Very telling on what teams think of the running back position.


Well part of it most of these RB's are either in their 30's or they are young and not worth much.

The FB's signed to big money have almost an every down value like Kyle Juszczyk who is basically a TE that can run the ball and lead block.
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