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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TENINCH wrote:
bananabucket wrote:
LuckIsGOAT wrote:
Why do you all think Cook stock went down?


Because he tested like a late rounder


I still think he's the best back in this draft. Some team is gonna hit a homerun getting him.


Do you spend a high first round pick on a running back who tested that poorly? I know a lot of people will say 'yes, his tape is that good' - but man it would still take a brave GM to do that now given the debate about taking backs high anyway. His workout was awful, truly shocking for a player we all thought must have some freak athleticism.
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chiefs82 wrote:
Deshaun Watson and Haason Reddick both helped their stocks.

Rueben Foster hurt his stock as much as he possibly could.
Not really. He just cemented his 1st round pick to the Bengals. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rich7sena wrote:
I don't see how Christian McCaffrey helped himself. We all knew who he was coming in, he just confirmed it.


Kind of, although I think he helped himself by not hurting himself. He had more to lose than gain.
I think he helped himself. He looked tremendous catching the ball. He cuts with little movement. Damn impressive. IMO he passed Cook as the second RB drafted.
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m haynes wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
Rich7sena wrote:
I don't see how Christian McCaffrey helped himself. We all knew who he was coming in, he just confirmed it.


Kind of, although I think he helped himself by not hurting himself. He had more to lose than gain.
I think he helped himself. He looked tremendous catching the ball. He cuts with little movement. Damn impressive. IMO he passed Cook as the second RB drafted.


Yeah he looked awesome. I still don't think the number of teams willing to spend a first on him will have gone up, because many will be worried about the fit in their schemes. Those who do see him as a fit will be salivating, because you can play him both as a slot receiver and part time running back. He might even be better off spending more time in the former.
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goldfishwars wrote:
m haynes wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
Rich7sena wrote:
I don't see how Christian McCaffrey helped himself. We all knew who he was coming in, he just confirmed it.


Kind of, although I think he helped himself by not hurting himself. He had more to lose than gain.
I think he helped himself. He looked tremendous catching the ball. He cuts with little movement. Damn impressive. IMO he passed Cook as the second RB drafted.


Yeah he looked awesome. I still don't think the number of teams willing to spend a first on him will have gone up, because many will be worried about the fit in their schemes. Those who do see him as a fit will be salivating, because you can play him both as a slot receiver and part time running back. He might even be better off spending more time in the former.


Exactly, He has to go to the right team. Image what he could do in a offense like the Pats and the Falcons.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think RB is a position where players with poor measurables tend to do well in the league. He may be ok, but at this stage Cook wouldn't be in my top 3 or so RBs.
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lark25 wrote:
I don't think RB is a position where players with poor measurables tend to do well in the league. He may be ok, but at this stage Cook wouldn't be in my top 3 or so RBs.


Surprisingly, it is.
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lark25 wrote:
I don't think RB is a position where players with poor measurables tend to do well in the league. He may be ok, but at this stage Cook wouldn't be in my top 3 or so RBs.

Maybe not long term, but there have been plenty of middling athletes find success in the NFL.

Cook's numbers still seem so strange to me. He's so fleet of foot that I'd figure he'd be at least under 7.10s in the 3-cone. The 40 is just .05 slower than I thought, but it doesn't shock me as much as his agility numbers.
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A lot of top running backs had middling combine and workout numbers, but that potentially makes Cook's numbers even worse considering he's in the 9th percentile among active NFL backs. Important note from Zach Whitman, no running back has been taken in the first round with a below 25th percentile level of athleticism since 1999.
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Cooks numbers are worst than Mixon across the board. I consider Mixon the best RB talent wise in the draft. Cooks numbers are in line with Perine who is a 3rd to 4th rounder.

Does that make Cook a 3rd to 4th rounder? Not really but he should fall out of the 1st round.
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CalhounLambeau wrote:
indigo_rex wrote:
I remember a lot of people saying the same things about Frank Clark and Danielle Hunter - that their athleticism wasn't as good as they tested. Turns out, the tests were right, and the eyes were wrong. Rinse and repeat.

So true. So many things can trick your eyes when watching prospects. It can be things as simple as body type, uniform colors, etc. That's why combine testing is so important.
For sure. Frank Clark is built super weird Laughing
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goldfishwars wrote:
TENINCH wrote:
bananabucket wrote:
LuckIsGOAT wrote:
Why do you all think Cook stock went down?


Because he tested like a late rounder


I still think he's the best back in this draft. Some team is gonna hit a homerun getting him.


Do you spend a high first round pick on a running back who tested that poorly? I know a lot of people will say 'yes, his tape is that good' - but man it would still take a brave GM to do that now given the debate about taking backs high anyway. His workout was awful, truly shocking for a player we all thought must have some freak athleticism.


Lol so Overdramatic. What did he test so badly in? He weighed in at 210 and ran a 4.47
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LuckIsGOAT wrote:
goldfishwars wrote:
TENINCH wrote:
bananabucket wrote:
LuckIsGOAT wrote:
Why do you all think Cook stock went down?


Because he tested like a late rounder


I still think he's the best back in this draft. Some team is gonna hit a homerun getting him.


Do you spend a high first round pick on a running back who tested that poorly? I know a lot of people will say 'yes, his tape is that good' - but man it would still take a brave GM to do that now given the debate about taking backs high anyway. His workout was awful, truly shocking for a player we all thought must have some freak athleticism.


Lol so Overdramatic. What did he test so badly in? He weighed in at 210 and ran a 4.47

I mean....if we're gonna get into exacts, he ran a 4.49 and posted below average times at agility drills.

A 7.27 3 cone drill and 4.53 short shuttle is butt ugly.
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Do teams really care about the 3 cone and shuttle? And more importantly did Cook really care about them?
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LuckIsGOAT wrote:
Do teams really care about the 3 cone and shuttle? And more importantly did Cook really care about them?


Yes. That's called an agility drill.
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