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nickfor3


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: who helped/hurt themselves the most at the combine? Reply with quote

who were the top 5 guys that helped themselves and the top 5 that hurt themselves in your opinion?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a top 8, not a top 5, because I kept thinking of others who did really well (and I could probably list a few more)

Helped:

1. Christian McCaffrey-RB
Might have had the best combine of any player

2. Obi Melifonwu-SS
He was considered a mid-late 2nd rounder before the combine, where he might be a late first rounder after it.

3. Tyus Bowser-OLB
Top performer in nearly every category.... Gonna have a lot of people going back to his film, as he was mid round prospect.

4. Evan Engram-TE
I knew he was good, but I think he just cemented himself as a first rounder.

5. Zay Jones-WR
Continued to build momentum off an amazing Senior Bowl with a signifcantly better than expected combine.

6. Fabian Moreau-CB
mid-late round guy who tested great for his projected position... Will get people going back and rewatching him.

7. Solomon Thomas-DE (maybe OLB)
Cemented himself as the top DL imo.

8. Micheal Roberts-TE
For a very late round prospect, he measures up pretty favorably in this TE class.

Hurt:

1. Rasul Douglas-CB
Slower than expected.

2. Teez Tabor-CB
Slower than expected

3. Tanoh Kpassagnon-DE
I probably had unrealistically high expectations.

4. Jonathan Allen-DE
The medical check is what did the most damage

5. Dalvin Cook-RB
He probably lost the most of any prospect from the combine tests.

6. David Njoku-TE
Like Tanoh, I probably had unreasonably high expectations.

7. Rueben Foster-MLB
I mean.... I think the situation is likely being wildly overblown.... but if a player isn't smart enough to just sit down and shut up for a single weekend..... where millions of dollars is on the line...

8. Dede Westbrook-WR
Refuses to do combine drills, is apparently a POS during interviews.... Congrats moron, you just cost yourself an outrageous amount of money.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, let's have a go at this:-

Helped:
Kevin King [ CB ] Washington
Obi Melifonwu [ SS ] Connecticut
Nico Siragusa [ OG ] Alabama
Jordan Willis [ DE ] Kansas State
Evan Engram [ TE ] Ole Miss

Hurt:
Jarron Jones [ DT ] Notre Dame
Teez Tabor [ CB ] Florida
Jaleel Johnson [ DT ] Iowa
Caleb Brantley [ DT ] Florida
Dalvin Cook [ RB ] Florida State

I thought OJ Howard and Christian McCaffrey had great workouts, but not sure how if it helps them more than just confirm certain things.

I don't know how much Cook is hurt by his numbers because his tape is still awesome, but those results are bottom of the class dreadful.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epyon wrote:
4. Evan Engram-TE
I knew he was good, but I think he just cemented himself as a first rounder.

Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CalhounLambeau wrote:
Epyon wrote:
4. Evan Engram-TE
I knew he was good, but I think he just cemented himself as a first rounder.

Very Happy


Whose coming off the board first. Mike Williams WR, Evan Engram WR/TE, David Njoku, TE?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000790683/article/final-combine-medals-count-utah-tops-texas-am-for-first-place

Not that this means much, but pretty happy with how my Utes did this week. Several of them did a lot to help themselves and I'm looking forward to see where they get drafted.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gopherwrestler wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Epyon wrote:
4. Evan Engram-TE
I knew he was good, but I think he just cemented himself as a first rounder.

Very Happy


Whose coming off the board first. Mike Williams WR, Evan Engram WR/TE, David Njoku, TE?

Mike Williams.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epyon wrote:
I did a top 8, not a top 5, because I kept thinking of others who really well (and I could probably list a few more)

Helped:

1. Christian McCaffrey-RB
Might have had the best combine of any player

2. Obi Melifonwu-SS
He was considered a mid-late 2nd rounder before the combine, where he might be a late first rounder after it.

3. Tyus Bowser-OLB
Top performer in nearly every category.... Gonna have a lot of people going back to his film, as he was mid round prospect.

4. Evan Engram-TE
I knew he was good, but I think he just cemented himself as a first rounder.

5. Zay Jones-WR
Continued to build momentum off an amazing Senior Bowl with a signifcantly better than expected combine.

6. Fabian Moreau-CB
mid-late round guy who tested great for his projected position... Will get people going back and rewatching him.

7. Solomon Thomas-DE (maybe OLB)
Cemented himself as the top DL imo.

8. Micheal Roberts-TE
For a very late round prospect, he measures up pretty favorably in this TE class.

Hurt:

1. Rasul Douglas-CB
Slower than expected.

2. Teez Tabor-CB
Slower than expected

3. Tanoh Kpassagnon-DE
I probably had unrealistically high expectations.

4. Jonathan Allen-DE
The medical check is what did the most damage

5. Dalvin Cook-RB
He probably lost the most of any prospect from the combine tests.

6. David Njoku-TE
Like Tanoh, I probably had unreasonably high expectations.

7. Rueben Foster-MLB
I mean.... I think the situation is likely being wildly overblown.... but if a player isn't smart enough to just sit down and shut up for a single weekend..... where millions of dollars is on the line...

8. Dede Westbrook-WR
Refuses to do combine drills, is apparently a POS during interviews.... Congrats moron, you just cost yourself an outrageous amount of money.


good write up
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daineraider wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000790683/article/final-combine-medals-count-utah-tops-texas-am-for-first-place

Not that this means much, but pretty happy with how my Utes did this week. Several of them did a lot to help themselves and I'm looking forward to see where they get drafted.


Really liked what I saw of CB Brian Allen today.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Channing Stribling.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Tim Williams, Charles Harris and Takk McKinley all really hurt themselves, specifically with those 3 cones if you're looking at them as 3-4 olb edge rushers. I can't remember a 3-4 olb who succeeded with 3-cones that bad. I know that anything is possible, but when history is that much against you, it's a bad sign. And yes, I hate to boil everything down on those guys to a single number, but it's not like other highly touted guys haven't had 3 cones that bad - they've also flopped. So it's not an instance where just bad prospects are flopping in that drill. I don't know that I would draft them in the first couple of rounds now as a 3-4 olb. Different position, maybe?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forge wrote:
I think that Tim Williams, Charles Harris and Takk McKinley all really hurt themselves, specifically with those 3 cones if you're looking at them as 3-4 olb edge rushers. I can't remember a 3-4 olb who succeeded with 3-cones that bad. I know that anything is possible, but when history is that much against you, it's a bad sign. And yes, I hate to boil everything down on those guys to a single number, but it's not like other highly touted guys haven't had 3 cones that bad - they've also flopped. So it's not an instance where just bad prospects are flopping in that drill. I don't know that I would draft them in the first couple of rounds now as a 3-4 olb. Different position, maybe?


What typically is the cutoff for success, generally, on certain positions with 3 cone time?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickfor3 wrote:
Epyon wrote:
I did a top 8, not a top 5, because I kept thinking of others who really well (and I could probably list a few more)

Helped:

1. Christian McCaffrey-RB
Might have had the best combine of any player

2. Obi Melifonwu-SS
He was considered a mid-late 2nd rounder before the combine, where he might be a late first rounder after it.

3. Tyus Bowser-OLB
Top performer in nearly every category.... Gonna have a lot of people going back to his film, as he was mid round prospect.

4. Evan Engram-TE
I knew he was good, but I think he just cemented himself as a first rounder.

5. Zay Jones-WR
Continued to build momentum off an amazing Senior Bowl with a signifcantly better than expected combine.

6. Fabian Moreau-CB
mid-late round guy who tested great for his projected position... Will get people going back and rewatching him.

7. Solomon Thomas-DE (maybe OLB)
Cemented himself as the top DL imo.

8. Micheal Roberts-TE
For a very late round prospect, he measures up pretty favorably in this TE class.

Hurt:

1. Rasul Douglas-CB
Slower than expected.

2. Teez Tabor-CB
Slower than expected

3. Tanoh Kpassagnon-DE
I probably had unrealistically high expectations.

4. Jonathan Allen-DE
The medical check is what did the most damage

5. Dalvin Cook-RB
He probably lost the most of any prospect from the combine tests.

6. David Njoku-TE
Like Tanoh, I probably had unreasonably high expectations.

7. Rueben Foster-MLB
I mean.... I think the situation is likely being wildly overblown.... but if a player isn't smart enough to just sit down and shut up for a single weekend..... where millions of dollars is on the line...

8. Dede Westbrook-WR
Refuses to do combine drills, is apparently a POS during interviews.... Congrats moron, you just cost yourself an outrageous amount of money.


Darren Carrington is better than every single player you posted about. Darren. Carrington. Darren Carrington.


We get it dude.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the fact that Takk McKinley still didn't understand the drills he should've been practicing for months may have some people questioning how much of a playbook he can absorb.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epyon wrote:

3. Tyus Bowser-OLB
Top performer in nearly every category.... Gonna have a lot of people going back to his film, as he was mid round prospect.


I don't think you really have to go back to his film. The athleticism is there. It all depends on the risk you want to take. He's raw but has a great tool-set. He moves like a WLB in coverage, he can bend around the edge as a pass rusher, and he has jarring hands.
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