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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WindyCity wrote:
Take anyone at 3 and they do not work out you are set back big time. Kevin White has been the biggest set back of the Pace era so far.


QBs take years to develop.

You have to start the clock at some point.


I'm not opposed to drafting more than one QB.

Green Bay drafted Harrell in the 2nd after having Rodgers waiting in wrong. They also drafted numerous QBs behind Favre to increase depth, protect themselves in case he was injured, and as motivation for him to keep working.

Pace can spend two high picks our whatever. Just get one to hit.


Harrell was an UDFA, it was Brian Brohm that was draft in the 2nd, and that same year, GB drafted Matt Flynn in the 7th.

Agree on the continued drafting of QB's, more than 1 in a given draft if you are searching for your franchise/solid starter.

RG3 and Cousins for Washington
As mentioned, GB drafted Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hassellbeck when they already have Farve established as a top 10 QB. They were able to trade each of those 3 for mid round picks/packages to move up in the draft.

NE is now doing the same thing with Mallett, Garopollo, Brissett.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squire12 wrote:
Sugashane wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Take anyone at 3 and they do not work out you are set back big time. Kevin White has been the biggest set back of the Pace era so far.


QBs take years to develop.

You have to start the clock at some point.


I'm not opposed to drafting more than one QB.

Green Bay drafted Harrell in the 2nd after having Rodgers waiting in wrong. They also drafted numerous QBs behind Favre to increase depth, protect themselves in case he was injured, and as motivation for him to keep working.

Pace can spend two high picks our whatever. Just get one to hit.


Harrell was an UDFA, it was Brian Brohm that was draft in the 2nd, and that same year, GB drafted Matt Flynn in the 7th.

Agree on the continued drafting of QB's, more than 1 in a given draft if you are searching for your franchise/solid starter.

RG3 and Cousins for Washington
As mentioned, GB drafted Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hassellbeck when they already have Farve established as a top 10 QB. They were able to trade each of those 3 for mid round picks/packages to move up in the draft.

NE is now doing the same thing with Mallett, Garopollo, Brissett.


Crap. I got them confused, I stand corrected.
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If the Bears tell me Solomon Thomas or Malik Hooker are going to be All Pros and were too good to pass on, I am okay with that.

But,

1. They better be All Pro players

2. You better have some sort of answer at QB that doesn't suck.


#2 is my biggest concern, honestly...


I see absolutely no QB in this class that I'd be confident makes it past the first round..... that I'd also have ANY amount of confidence in going forward....

Kaaya, Webb, Peterman..... or really late guys like Dobbs, Evans....


Maybe Webb COULD be something but I sure as hell wouldn't feel inspired or hopeful if our QB rotation was Glennon/Webb/Shaw

I love both Thomas and Hooker as prospects, but I'm all aboard the QB train for round 1.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm convinced that fixing this team is going to take awhile. I'm willing to give Pace a pass on the QB situation provided he significantly improves other areas of the roster.
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I have no idea what Peterman, Kaaya or Webb can be, I do not have a ton of faith.

If you are going to pass at 3 then you need to have an answer and in my world Mike Glennon is not an actual answer.

That is why I think a Jimmy G trade would have been ideal, now things are far more complicated.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/


I wouldn't have a major issue with Peterman in the 3rd round if they identify him as a guy who can be a game manager for us but the 2nd would be rich.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/


I wouldn't have a major issue with Peterman in the 3rd round if they identify him as a guy who can be a game manager for us but the 2nd would be rich.


I agree.

But if they pass at 3 you know they will feel pressure to make sure they get their guy.

Can't get skunked at QB.

3(67) and 4(111) would get us to 2(56) ahead of Houston and KC, that would be my ideal and still draft a starter at 36.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/


I wouldn't have a major issue with Peterman in the 3rd round if they identify him as a guy who can be a game manager for us but the 2nd would be rich.


I agree.

But if they pass at 3 you know they will feel pressure to make sure they get their guy.

Can't get skunked at QB.

3(67) and 4(111) would get us to 2(56) ahead of Houston and KC, that would be my ideal and still draft a starter at 36.


Now we're trading up for Peterman? Oy.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/


I wouldn't have a major issue with Peterman in the 3rd round if they identify him as a guy who can be a game manager for us but the 2nd would be rich.


I agree.

But if they pass at 3 you know they will feel pressure to make sure they get their guy.

Can't get skunked at QB.

3(67) and 4(111) would get us to 2(56) ahead of Houston and KC, that would be my ideal and still draft a starter at 36.


For me if they get Hoyer back they will feel better about holding off for a QB.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/


I wouldn't have a major issue with Peterman in the 3rd round if they identify him as a guy who can be a game manager for us but the 2nd would be rich.


I agree.

But if they pass at 3 you know they will feel pressure to make sure they get their guy.

Can't get skunked at QB.

3(67) and 4(111) would get us to 2(56) ahead of Houston and KC, that would be my ideal and still draft a starter at 36.


For me if they get Hoyer back they will feel better about holding off for a QB.


They are drafting a QB this season. There is no way Ryan "you need to draft a QB every year" Pace is going to not invest a top 3 round pick in the position.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
WindyCity wrote:
Would not shock me 1 bit of we took Peterman in the 2nd round

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/06/gabriel-scouting-pitt-qb-nate-peterman/


I wouldn't have a major issue with Peterman in the 3rd round if they identify him as a guy who can be a game manager for us but the 2nd would be rich.


I agree.

But if they pass at 3 you know they will feel pressure to make sure they get their guy.

Can't get skunked at QB.

3(67) and 4(111) would get us to 2(56) ahead of Houston and KC, that would be my ideal and still draft a starter at 36.


For me if they get Hoyer back they will feel better about holding off for a QB.


They are drafting a QB this season. There is no way Ryan "you need to draft a QB every year" Pace is going to not invest a top 3 round pick in the position.


I'm not saying he's not...what I'm saying is getting Hoyer back means they don't need to reach in rounds 1 or 2 or even trade up for a guy who is a clear 3rd round talent.
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I don't think Hoyer gives them a ton of breathing room.

I doubt that Hoyer makes it through 2017 as the starter. This rookie is going to play when the Bears are eliminated.

Glennon might by you a full 16 games, although Brock didn't, but even then I doubt it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think Hoyer gives them a ton of breathing room.

I doubt that Hoyer makes it through 2017 as the starter. This rookie is going to play when the Bears are eliminated.

Glennon might by you a full 16 games, although Brock didn't, but even then I doubt it.


We might not think it...but that doesn't mean to say Pace & Fox don't...as I have said all along I have a real hard time believing Fox wants a rookie QB in a season he has to win.
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Madmike90 wrote:
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I don't think Hoyer gives them a ton of breathing room.

I doubt that Hoyer makes it through 2017 as the starter. This rookie is going to play when the Bears are eliminated.

Glennon might by you a full 16 games, although Brock didn't, but even then I doubt it.


We might not think it...but that doesn't mean to say Pace & Fox don't...as I have said all along I have a real hard time believing Fox wants a rookie QB in a season he has to win.


What they don't want/can't have is 60k no shows to watch Hoyer lose games.

The city was a buzz with Barkley fever, and he is horrendous, a rookie offers some excitement and hope in a bad season.

He may no want a rookie, but when CYA time starts he will need one.
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