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lark25


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:33 pm    Post subject: Are most online scouting reports completely useless? Reply with quote

I'm increasingly finding contradictory information between scouting reports, or even within a scouting report. I feel like some of them are on the same level of stupid as this:

"Kuechly isn't a great athlete, nor is he a flashy personality. What he does is make plays between the numbers, racking up unheard of tackle numbers on his way to All-American honors in 2011. Kuechly is a hard-nosed throwback to simpler times. But novelty has little place in today's innovative and specialized game. "

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1031882-luke-kuechly-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report

Kuechly is one of the most athletic LBs in the game with a Sparq score over 140. He covered WRs at times.

Why is the standard of online scouting so low?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many media scouts speak to the draft layman and often use generalizations/stereotypes like the one you presented. For us hobbyists, it's best to find an evaluator you trust or at least enjoy listening to or reading.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standard is low because anyone can do it. There are good people out there. You just have to look for them.

But every person will have misses. That all said, Matt Miller does suck.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most websites don't have people write reports to provide accurate analysis on the players. Instead, they have them write reports to get people clicking on their website.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Are most online scouting reports completely useless? Reply with quote

lark25 wrote:
Why is the standard of online scouting so low?

One thing a lot of people don't understand or don't want to admit is that there is very little demand for NFL draft content as it's only followed closely for a few weeks. Therefor very few people in the media who have a great knowledge of the game don't pigeonhole themselves as draft specialists. So you mainly have fringe people who enjoy it but may not be the most talented or knowledgeable doing it to fill in the cottage industry during the other 10 months of the year. Most of the people everyone follows on Twitter make very little money. A guy everyone knows on Twitter who writes on a popular website that I've gotten to know a little bit personally has told me he has a side job to make ends meet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know to be honest. I will just say this.

I have heard D'onta Foreman referred to as the best pass protecting running back in this year's draft..... and seen him referred to as a two down running back who needs to be pulled in passing situations because he can't block particularly well and he'll get your quarterback killed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crickett wrote:
I don't know to be honest. I will just say this.

I have heard D'onta Foreman referred to as the best pass protecting running back in this year's draft..... and seen him referred to as a two down running back who needs to be pulled in passing situations because he can't block particularly well and he'll get your quarterback killed.

It all comes down to context and some guys are willing to go the extra mile to add it. The love/hate with Foreman's pass blocking is based on whether or not the "scout" likes cut blockers.

If I'm honest, even the best draft writers are humorless and are generally stale personalities (Matt Waldman's videos are both good and awful at the same time). It's not real journalism. It's a weird niche where, like Jrry said, anyone can break into relevance based on tenacity, passion, and luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, every offensive lineman scouting report reads the exact same. If they think he's good.

"Plays with good knee bend. Fights to keep hands inside. Delivers a jolting punch to defenders."

if he's bad.

"Is a waist bender, is more of a grabber than a puncher.'
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this screams, "Look for yourself."

I'll google scouting reports sometimes, but just to see what to look for.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeftTackle51 wrote:
Yes, every offensive lineman scouting report reads the exact same. If they think he's good.

"Plays with good knee bend. Fights to keep hands inside. Delivers a jolting punch to defenders."

if he's bad.

"Is a waist bender, is more of a grabber than a puncher.'

My main man whenit comes to OL is Ross Tucker. He won't analyze an entire class, but he'll seperate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to the big names.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeftTackle51 wrote:
Yes, every offensive lineman scouting report reads the exact same. If they think he's good.

"Plays with good knee bend. Fights to keep hands inside. Delivers a jolting punch to defenders."

if he's bad.

"Is a waist bender, is more of a grabber than a puncher.'


This is very accurate
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeftTackle51 wrote:
Yes, every offensive lineman scouting report reads the exact same. If they think he's good.

"Plays with good knee bend. Fights to keep hands inside. Delivers a jolting punch to defenders."

if he's bad.

"Is a waist bender, is more of a grabber than a puncher.'
OL scouting reports are the worst. My favorite thing is when they "zone scheme only" or "power scheme only" as if there's actually a team that exclusively runs zone or man/gap schemes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's because anyone can do it these days as well thanks to the widespread use of the internet. The key is to look up past mock drafts and see who got it right the most with their analysis of the picks and then follow them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO with the sheer amount of players that there are to scout, most people don't have time to fully scout a whole year (or career) of someone. One person who watched 3 games of a prospect might have a totally different opinion than someone else who watched 3 different games.

On the other hand, someone who closely follows college football for a living or covers that conference might be able to tell you their stats from every game and have a perfect memory of how they played but they aren't necessarily knowledgeable when it comes to projecting them to the NFL. I would imagine the reason being a pro scout is such a grind is because you have to know so much info about both college and pro, whereas most casual fans or online scouts mainly follow one over the other.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of good answer in here. With all that being said, who do you guys trust?
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