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jcm412


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OC_Steeler wrote:
jcm412 wrote:
OC_Steeler wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
AlanFanecaFan wrote:
Cap hit for 2017 stayed the same...they should have about $25-$28 mill in cap room still while being able to add another $7 mill if they cut Moats/Harris/Gay.

They should have room for a mid tier FA.


IMO, they really need to consider making Mitchell a post June 1st cut. IMO, he is a backup caliber player at this point making over $8m. Making him a post June 1st cut frees up $5m this season. Davis and Golden as the starter, draft one, and perhaps keep Gay around and move him to safety. If we were to dip into FA, maybe look at Tony Jefferson or DJ Swearinger.


Really? DJ Swearinger? I get that Mitchell isn't the most beloved player on our D, but he is definitely a better option than Swearinger and Golden, based on the limited snaps he's seen (NE game Embarassed ). Mitchell is the 24th highest paid safety by Avg/Year standards, which to me is pretty fair given the current state of safety play in the league. The 8 million cap hit is because of multiple restructures that he has no control of, if anything, thats the FO's fault. Who wouldn't take more money up front if asked? Jefferson will definitely price himself out of our range as he'll be the top safety to hit the market once FA rolls around.

To sum it up, I wouldn't mind drafting Mitchell's replacement this year in the draft, but cutting him as a post-June 1st cut doesn't seem like the best idea because we aren't in dire need of money, and can cut other players who were less of a factor down the stretch than Mitchell, our safety depth would be trash, and we'd be one injury away from a rookie being paired with either Golden or Davis. IMO, Mitchell is a bit better than some give credit for, his consistant chirping rubs people the wrong way, but he provides a physical presence in the middle of the field and some surprising range which help save Artie more than a few times, without Mitchell in the 2nd Ravens game we probably lose, he helped save a TD after Burns got burned.


I think Mitchell is only marginally better than Golden. I think we can find a much better coverage safety. Mitchell's value was always the enforcer roll. I don't think we need that in today's NFL. I think you need to look at it as what could we do with the cap money we save.


We won't get the 5 million until after June 1st, and at least some will have to go to an FA, unless we roll with Davis, Golden, and a rookie. Nothing I am going to say will change your opinion of Mitchell, but I really disagree with saying Mitchell is only marginally better than Golden. Golden was absolutely clueless in zone against New England, he was covering the air instead of guarding Hogan who was literally the only guy in his area. That level of coverage and awareness + no physicality isn't the answer, and I love Golden he's a great core ST'er for us, but that's about all he is and the contract he signed last year seems to indicate that as well.

By no means do I think Mitchell is a savior, but cutting ties with him this offseason would be a year too early IMO. I'd rather have a plan already in place than to just cut him and create another hole in our secondary. Regardless, Mitchell seems to be a Tomlin guy and was part of a small group who came in at 4 or 5 am to watch extra tape. So most likely, we will see Mitchell suiting up for at least one more year.


If it allows me to keep a player like Tuitt for the long term. I'm cutting him and rolling with Golden or a rookie.

However, I do not expect him to be cut.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcm412 wrote:
OC_Steeler wrote:
jcm412 wrote:
OC_Steeler wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
AlanFanecaFan wrote:
Cap hit for 2017 stayed the same...they should have about $25-$28 mill in cap room still while being able to add another $7 mill if they cut Moats/Harris/Gay.

They should have room for a mid tier FA.


IMO, they really need to consider making Mitchell a post June 1st cut. IMO, he is a backup caliber player at this point making over $8m. Making him a post June 1st cut frees up $5m this season. Davis and Golden as the starter, draft one, and perhaps keep Gay around and move him to safety. If we were to dip into FA, maybe look at Tony Jefferson or DJ Swearinger.


Really? DJ Swearinger? I get that Mitchell isn't the most beloved player on our D, but he is definitely a better option than Swearinger and Golden, based on the limited snaps he's seen (NE game Embarassed ). Mitchell is the 24th highest paid safety by Avg/Year standards, which to me is pretty fair given the current state of safety play in the league. The 8 million cap hit is because of multiple restructures that he has no control of, if anything, thats the FO's fault. Who wouldn't take more money up front if asked? Jefferson will definitely price himself out of our range as he'll be the top safety to hit the market once FA rolls around.

To sum it up, I wouldn't mind drafting Mitchell's replacement this year in the draft, but cutting him as a post-June 1st cut doesn't seem like the best idea because we aren't in dire need of money, and can cut other players who were less of a factor down the stretch than Mitchell, our safety depth would be trash, and we'd be one injury away from a rookie being paired with either Golden or Davis. IMO, Mitchell is a bit better than some give credit for, his consistant chirping rubs people the wrong way, but he provides a physical presence in the middle of the field and some surprising range which help save Artie more than a few times, without Mitchell in the 2nd Ravens game we probably lose, he helped save a TD after Burns got burned.


I think Mitchell is only marginally better than Golden. I think we can find a much better coverage safety. Mitchell's value was always the enforcer roll. I don't think we need that in today's NFL. I think you need to look at it as what could we do with the cap money we save.


We won't get the 5 million until after June 1st, and at least some will have to go to an FA, unless we roll with Davis, Golden, and a rookie. Nothing I am going to say will change your opinion of Mitchell, but I really disagree with saying Mitchell is only marginally better than Golden. Golden was absolutely clueless in zone against New England, he was covering the air instead of guarding Hogan who was literally the only guy in his area. That level of coverage and awareness + no physicality isn't the answer, and I love Golden he's a great core ST'er for us, but that's about all he is and the contract he signed last year seems to indicate that as well.

By no means do I think Mitchell is a savior, but cutting ties with him this offseason would be a year too early IMO. I'd rather have a plan already in place than to just cut him and create another hole in our secondary. Regardless, Mitchell seems to be a Tomlin guy and was part of a small group who came in at 4 or 5 am to watch extra tape. So most likely, we will see Mitchell suiting up for at least one more year.


If it allows me to keep a player like Tuitt for the long term. I'm cutting him and rolling with Golden or a rookie.

However, I do not expect him to be cut.


I agree, I would definitely cut him if it came to it as well, Tuitt is much better, more promising player. But I think the Steelers will have roughly 23.5 million in cap space after the officially tag number is finalized for Bell, obviously some will go to the draft, and reupping FA's like Harrison and perhaps Timmons. But more than enough should be left over for Tuitt. If we need to clear a little space I'd rather cut Moats, DHB, and Harris.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
AlanFanecaFan wrote:
Cap hit for 2017 stayed the same...they should have about $25-$28 mill in cap room still while being able to add another $7 mill if they cut Moats/Harris/Gay.

They should have room for a mid tier FA.


IMO, they really need to consider making Mitchell a post June 1st cut. IMO, he is a backup caliber player at this point making over $8m. Making him a post June 1st cut frees up $5m this season. Davis and Golden as the starter, draft one, and perhaps keep Gay around and move him to safety. If we were to dip into FA, maybe look at Tony Jefferson or DJ Swearinger.
Golden? NO NO NO he had his opportunity to start this year and couldnt fend off a rookie. Solid backup
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