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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:47 am    Post subject: Jrry32's First Mock of February Reply with quote

Things were getting a bit quiet in here. I tried to change a few things up to see what people think about it. There's a lot of similarities to previous mocks, but that's to be expected. I am beginning to get a feel for what players I really like.

Cut
HB Tre Mason
TE Lance Kendricks
DE Eugene Sims
C Tim Barnes

Re-sign
CB Trumaine Johnson - 5 years $62.5 million
K Greg Zuerlein - 3 years $7.5 million
HB Benny Cunningham - 3 years $4.5 million
DT Dominique Easley - RFA Tender
DT Louis Trinca-Pasat - ERFA Tender
DE/OLB Matt Longacre - ERFA Tender

Trade
Rams trade DE William Hayes and WLB Mark Barron
Browns trade ILB Joe Schobert and OLB Nate Orchard

I'm just tossing something up against the wall here to see if it sticks. With the Browns moving to a 4-3 defense, both Schobert and Orchard are stuck without a clear role. Barron and Hayes both have clear roles in Williams's defense. The Browns have a ton of cap room, so it won't bother them to take on Barron's and Hayes's contracts.

Free Agency - Big Money Acquisitions
Ronald Leary LG - 5 years $40 million

We need OL help. There were rumors that Dallas was trying to trade Leary before the season. With the injury to La'El Collins, Leary stepped back into his starting spot. He was also a starter on the dominant 2014 Cowboys OL. Leary is a mauling run blocker who has the versatility to play in either a ZBS or a PBS. He's also a quality pass protector. Either ways, he's a huge upgrade on what we have. Plus, he came up under Aaron Kromer's mentor, Bill Callahan.

DeSean Jackson WR - 3 years $24 million

Initially, I had some concerns about Jackson coming to LA because of his reported ties to gang members. However, it genuinely seems like McVay and Jackson have a very close relationship. With Jackson being from LA, I think he'd be willing to come here if we match his best offer. He definitely offers us a nice skill-set. He put up 1000+ yards in McVay's offense this year.

Jabaal Sheard SOLB - 4 years $26 million

Sheard comes over from the Patriots defense where he played a similar role. Sheard has proven to be a disruptive pass rusher throughout his career in the NFL. He's never been a 10+ sack per year guy, but he's often sat in the 7 to 8 sack per year range. Sheard doesn't need to be J.J. Watt on our defense. He just needs to give us an additional credible pass rushing threat, which he does. Sheard also can drop into coverage and stop the run, which are both necessary for the SOLB to do.

Free Agency - Cheaper Signings
Kamar Aiken WR - 4 years $20 million
Terrell McClain NT - 3 years $9 million
Stefen Wisniewski C/OG - 2 years $5 million
Dekoda Watson ILB/OLB - 2 years $2 million
Sean Lissemore NT - 2 years $2 million
Louis Vasquez OG - 1 year $1 million
Dwight Freeney OLB - 1 year $1 million

NFL Draft
Round 2 Pick #5 - Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan
Summary: Jourdan Lewis is a pretty recognizable name. He's considered arguably the best cover CB in college football. Lewis possesses elite feet and hip flexibility, great ball-skills, outstanding instincts, and a natural ability to mirror WRs. Lewis is a physical player who is unafraid to come up and take on just about anyone in run support. The only reasons why Lewis falls this far are his lack of size at 5'10" 188, and his tendency to get grabby. Lewis will need to be careful in the NFL with grabbing, but he has all of the talent to be one of the best press CBs in the NFL.

Round 3 Pick #5 - Ahkello Witherspoon CB Colorado
Summary: Ahkello is one of my favorite under the radar prospects in this draft. He was one of the national leaders in passes defensed in 2016, and his coverage metrics when targeted were off the charts good. Ahkello is 6'2" 195 with outstanding ball-skills, tremendous quickness and hip flexion for his size, and the long speed needed to play outside the numbers in the NFL. Ahkello is one of the most physically talented players in this class. He's a tad raw in terms of technique, but he has gobs of upside at CB. Plus, he's a highly intelligent kid who has aspirations of becoming a doctor. We need more intelligent players. This kid has the potential to be one of the best CBs in the game.

Round 4 Pick #5 - Jon Toth C/OG Kentucky
Summary: Toth started 48 games in his college as a four-year starter at Kentucky. He had a strong Senior Bowl week and graded out as the top offensive lineman in the Senior Bowl game according to PFF. Toth has NFL size at 6'5" 308 with 33 inch arms. Some feel that he's too tall to play Center and will be better off at OG. I disagree. I thought he did an impressive job of keeping his pad level down while firing out of his stance in college. Toth is a technically sound player who lacks dominant physical talent. He's a solid athlete with solid strength. But he more than compensates for his only solid physical tools with his great body control, polished footwork, and consistent hand use. He will not make it easy for Wisniewski to hold onto the Center job.

Round 4 Comp Pick - Ishmael Zamora WR Baylor
Summary: Frankly, Zamora is a scummy person. He was suspended for 3 games by Baylor this year for beating his dog. That doesn't sit well with me. But the guy is also a freakish athlete. If you want the next Josh Gordon, Zamora looks like he might be that guy. He's listed at 6'4" 220, has blazing speed, attacks the ball in the air, and plays with physicality. He also runs effectively after the catch and will finish catches through contact. Crappy person but has the potential to be a dominant NFL WR with the right coaching. It won't surprise me if he moves up into the second round during the pre-draft process despite his character red flags.

Round 5 Pick #5 - Jonnu Smith TE Florida International
Summary: Jonnu has the potential to be a Jordan Reed-like player in McVay's scheme. At 6'3" 245, Jonnu is undersized for an inline TE. However, he's a willing blocker with the strength to handle himself in the NFL. He won't be Gronkowski, but he won't be a total liability either. Where Jonnu truly shines is as a pass-catcher. Like Jordan Reed, he'll sometimes let passes into his body. However, Jonnu's hip flexibility and quickness make him potentially special. He moves and cuts like a WR. He can break tackles and create yardage after the catch too. He has a very high ceiling as a move TE.

Round 6 Pick #5 - Ejuan Price OLB Pittsburgh
Summary: Price had injury issues early in his career. He's rebounded to post 42.5 TFLs and 24.5 sacks over the past two years. He's a really small guy at 5'11" 255, but he has serious explosiveness and quickness as a pass rusher. He's a really good fit as a 3-4 OLB. He has the athleticism to not be a liability in coverage while possessing the speed to be a dangerous pass rush specialist.

Round 6 Comp Pick - Joshua Holsey CB Auburn
Summary: Holsey is another guy on my list of underrated CBs. This is such a deep and talented class that a guy like Holsey can go unnoticed. Holsey had two torn ACLs in his career, so that is a concern with him. However, he has exceptionally quick feet, the speed to run with WRs deep, loose hips, and good ball-skills. He can get a little grabby at times, but as we all know, some CBs use that to their advantage (*cough* Richard Sherman). Holsey is a CB who hides it well and uses it to his advantage. Holsey handled a number of top college WRs, including Mike Williams, during his senior season at Auburn.

Round 7 Pick #5 - Joey Ivie DE Florida
Summary: Ivie is an underrated player in this class. He's an underrated athlete with a relentless motor who has the ability to be a productive rotational interior DL at the NFL level. Ivie uses his hands well and does a nice job of stacking and shedding blocks in the run game. He's athletic enough to disrupt plays in the back-field and pressure QBs in the passing game. I think there's a strong chance that Joey Ivie's best football is ahead of him.

Projected Starters
QB: Jared Goff
HB: Todd Gurley
FB: Cory Harkey
XWR: Kamar Aiken vs. Ishmael Zamora vs. Mike Thomas
ZWR: DeSean Jackson
SLWR: Tavon Austin
TE: Tyler Higbee
LT: Greg Robinson vs. Rodger Saffold
LG: Ronald Leary
C: Stefen Wisniewski vs. Jon Toth
RG: Jamon Brown vs. Greg Robinson vs. Rodger Saffold vs. Louis Vasquez
RT: Rob Havenstein

LDE: Michael Brockers
NT: Terrell McClain
RDE: Aaron Donald
LOLB: Jabaal Sheard
LILB: Joe Schobert
RILB: Alec Ogletree
ROLB: Robert Quinn
LCB: Trumaine Johnson
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon
SLCB: Jourdan Lewis
FS: LaMarcus Joyner
SS: Maurice Alexander

K: Greg Zuerlein
P: Johnny Hekker
LS: Jake McQuaide
KR: Benny Cunningham
PR: Tavon Austin
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im working on another mock myself, glad you beat me to it Wink


Im not a huge fan. While I REALLY like Lewis, I think thats too early for him. I think there will be some better players and even better corners at that spot. Normally Id say hey, you want your guy you take him, but I feel quite confident in saying he will be there in round 3, MAYBE even round 4. Its a combination of how loaded this class is with CB talent, and the fact that he is the smallest corner in the class. With the tall and lanky type CB getting bigger and bigger (no pun intended), the smaller guys get pushed down. Dont get me wrong, there is a big need for good slot corners because of the amount of time played in the nickel, but teams obviously wont put a premium price on them.

Anyway, everything else looks pretty good. I gotta watch more on Spoon. So many quality corners to evaluate.


Also I really like the Price pick, undersized but a stupid burst off the line.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a chance that DeSean Jackson would be a negative distraction for this team if he doesn't get the ball enough? Like lets say our offense is [inappropriate/removed] poor again next year and we're kicking FGs most of the time and constantly losing. I'm asking because when he has played full seasons or close to full seasons he's usually a productive player and he's been in offenses (Eagles and Redskins) that throw the football around a good amount.

There were so many times last season where we couldn't move the ball, score points, etc. I wonder how he would react to being in that situation if that were to happen again.
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DEE RAWL wrote:
Im working on another mock myself, glad you beat me to it Wink


Im not a huge fan. While I REALLY like Lewis, I think thats too early for him. I think there will be some better players and even better corners at that spot. Normally Id say hey, you want your guy you take him, but I feel quite confident in saying he will be there in round 3, MAYBE even round 4. Its a combination of how loaded this class is with CB talent, and the fact that he is the smallest corner in the class. With the tall and lanky type CB getting bigger and bigger (no pun intended), the smaller guys get pushed down. Dont get me wrong, there is a big need for good slot corners because of the amount of time played in the nickel, but teams obviously wont put a premium price on them.

Anyway, everything else looks pretty good. I gotta watch more on Spoon. So many quality corners to evaluate.


Also I really like the Price pick, undersized but a stupid burst off the line.


Jourdan Lewis? Nah. There's a chance he could fall to the top of the 3rd, but you can say that about any of the second round CBs. That's especially true before the Combine. But he won't fall to the 4th.

I was stuck between him and Gareon Conley at that spot. I ended up going with Lewis because I think he has a little more upside. For my money, there's nobody better than Lewis and Conley at that pick in our scheme.

l3lind golfer wrote:
Is there a chance that DeSean Jackson would be a negative distraction for this team if he doesn't get the ball enough? Like lets say our offense is [inappropriate/removed] poor again next year and we're kicking FGs most of the time and constantly losing. I'm asking because when he has played full seasons or close to full seasons he's usually a productive player and he's been in offenses (Eagles and Redskins) that throw the football around a good amount.

There were so many times last season where we couldn't move the ball, score points, etc. I wonder how he would react to being in that situation if that were to happen again.


Yes. But that same chance exists for pretty much all the top FA WRs.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well to be fair, Alshon Jeffery is used to playing on a horrific offense with a QB who sucks.

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Well to be fair, Alshon Jeffery is used to playing on a horrific offense with a QB who sucks.

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Yeah but you have to pay a lot more money for his patience. Laughing
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I respectfully disagree about Lewis and where he goes. But we do agree that he is an outstanding cover corner, arguably the most physical as well. Too many of these corners avoid contact.


I really wish we were in position to take Lattimore, kid is really good.
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DEE RAWL wrote:
I respectfully disagree about Lewis and where he goes. But we do agree that he is an outstanding cover corner, arguably the most physical as well. Too many of these corners avoid contact.


I really wish we were in position to take Lattimore, kid is really good.


Janoris Jenkins, Jason Verrett, and Mackensie Alexander were all similarly highly regarded when compared to Lewis and about the same size. Verrett went in the late first. Jenkins went in the early second. Alexander went in the late second.

But like I said, I was torn between Lewis and Conley. I ultimately went with Lewis because I thought he'd be better in the slot than Conley. I think very highly of both.
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Those players are much more the exception than the rule. Alexander had length, Varrett had man cover skills/agility that were special, and Janoris falls under an Adoree Jackson type mold by being a special athlete/returner/cover corner.

I feel confident as it stands right now that his range is top of the 3rd and the 4th round. Unless he tests through the roof at the combine, that wont change. Thats my educated opinion though.
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DEE RAWL wrote:
Those players are much more the exception than the rule. Alexander had length, Varrett had man cover skills/agility that were special, and Janoris falls under an Adoree Jackson type mold by being a special athlete/returner/cover corner.

I feel confident as it stands right now that his range is top of the 3rd and the 4th round. Unless he tests through the roof at the combine, that wont change. Thats my educated opinion though.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/mackensie-alexander?id=2555177
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jourdan-lewis?id=2557920

Alexander and Lewis are similarly long. Lewis has much better ball-skills.

Verrett did have agility and cover skills that were special. But Lewis is not far off.

I disagree on Janoris and Adoree Jackson. Janoris wasn't a special athlete or returner. He was very similar to Jourdan Lewis in both regards. Janoris was/is a tad better with the ball in his hands, but Lewis is a more sound technician.

I actually think Lewis and Jenkins are quite comparable prospects. Similar caliber of athletes, similar caliber of cover skills, and different play styles. Lewis is more of a sound technician while Janoris was more of an instinctive, natural gambler.

I'd value them similarly.(probably Janoris slightly higher because he showed more ability to compete in the air)

If I were ranking them, I'd rank them as:
Verrett
Janoris (considering his character concerns)
Lewis
Alexander

I think Lewis safely falls somewhere in the second round. As for the combine, I'm expecting him to do well. My expectation is something in the neighborhood of:
40: 4.46
Short Shuttle: 4.00
3CD: 6.80
VJ: 35"
Broad Jump: 10'01"

All are respectable numbers. He's a good athlete with great movement skills.

But we're all entitled to our opinions. That's what makes draft talk fun.
(I am lying. Agreeing with me makes draft talk fun.) Wink
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I won't disagree with you at all in terms of where you rank them, or even the analysis of any of them in general I'm simply saying I don't think there will be many teams looking to take him in round 2 even though they should be.
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DEE RAWL wrote:
I won't disagree with you at all in terms of where you rank them, or even the analysis of any of them in general I'm simply saying I don't think there will be many teams looking to take him in round 2 even though they should be.


On draft day, I'd probably consider a trade down if the CB draft board looked good at that point. So I hear ya.
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Im actually with you on Lewis, he should fall into that range, maybe half a round too early, but if hes the guy you want, you grab him. Its actually Ahkello who I think you are way too early on. I know you have been high on him, he is one of your guys, but I think it is more of a long shot that he hits the upside you see in him. I still think he can do it, but it will take alot more work than some of the other ultra talented CBs we see in this draft. No doubt he is under the radar, and I would like to have him, but he is in that status for a reason. You are taking him in the Top 70 picks. I have him ranked outside my Top 100, more in the 125 group.

But thats really my only thing with this Mock.

l3lind golfer wrote:
Is there a chance that DeSean Jackson would be a negative distraction for this team if he doesn't get the ball enough? Like lets say our offense is [inappropriate/removed] poor again next year and we're kicking FGs most of the time and constantly losing. I'm asking because when he has played full seasons or close to full seasons he's usually a productive player and he's been in offenses (Eagles and Redskins) that throw the football around a good amount.

There were so many times last season where we couldn't move the ball, score points, etc. I wonder how he would react to being in that situation if that were to happen again.
Well this year in our pisspoor offense, Kenny Britt hauled in 68 catches for 1002 yards and 5 TDs. In a much better offense, Desean put up 56 catches for 1005 yards and 5 TDs, so I dont think getting the ball enough would ever be the issue as he would be the #1. Quality of offense is a different conversation, but we wont know that till we get going this year. Djax has mostly been a 45-60ish catch guy, with a few outlier seasons (82 & 30)
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StLunatic88 wrote:
Im actually with you on Lewis, he should fall into that range, maybe half a round too early, but if hes the guy you want, you grab him. Its actually Ahkello who I think you are way too early on. I know you have been high on him, he is one of your guys, but I think it is more of a long shot that he hits the upside you see in him. I still think he can do it, but it will take alot more work than some of the other ultra talented CBs we see in this draft. No doubt he is under the radar, and I would like to have him, but he is in that status for a reason. You are taking him in the Top 70 picks. I have him ranked outside my Top 100, more in the 125 group.

But thats really my only thing with this Mock.


I'm taking him where I know I can get him. I don't think NFL teams are blind to his talent. I'll show you with a few gifs:
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http://imgur.com/yDfIr76
http://imgur.com/srICrSq

Witherspoon is 6'2" with long arms (at least 32" imo), tremendously fluid hips for his size, very quick feet for his size, and good long speed.

My only real complaint is that he doesn't love contact. He only tackles when he is forced to make the tackle.

But he's a perfect fit for Wade's press man heavy scheme. He only has one year of starting experience, and he's already this good. His technique will improve. His ability to track the football will improve. And that's scary to think about. Because he rarely gets beat already. The majority of catches that he gave up in the games I watched came from a combination of him slightly misplaying the ball and the throw being incredibly accurate, or a WR going up over him and making the catch. He's very sticky in coverage and almost always attached at the hip to the WR he's covering.

Imagine how good he'll be when he has a DB Coach who can teach him how to better use his hands and length to keep WRs from separating.(i.e., teach him how to hold and get away with it)
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Trade
Rams trade DE William Hayes and WLB Mark Barron
Browns trade ILB Joe Schobert and OLB Nate Orchard

I'm just tossing something up against the wall here to see if it sticks. With the Browns moving to a 4-3 defense, both Schobert and Orchard are stuck without a clear role. Barron and Hayes both have clear roles in Williams's defense. The Browns have a ton of cap room, so it won't bother them to take on Barron's and Hayes's contracts.


Of all of the silly trades in all of the mock drafts I've seen on all of the different team forums on FF, this may be the first (although lets be honest, fairly unlikely to happen) that I actually like. It helps clear cap room for the Rams, brings in young talent from the Browns who no longer fit their defense (especially Orchard) and sends players familiar with Greg Williams' system to the Browns who would bring an immediate and positive impact. Especially Barron.
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