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I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


Except at about 225 he's really just abig wr, not a te. He'll be a matchup nightmare on passing downs, butlikely a liability on running plays.
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J-ALL-DAY wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


Like that draft a lot already.

On a side note, read something on rotoworld or somewhere about Corey Davis likely going in round 2 now. Of course purely speculation from that authors POV but used lack of interest pre-draft wise, lack of testing measurables as well as "nothing special" in regards to skills, sort of a jack of all trades, master of none type of deal. I believe they were quoting what they heard from scouts.


The last appreciated wr skill of all it seems to me is the ability to get open. It is a real skill some guys are just better at it than others. And davis is great at it.
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J-ALL-DAY wrote:
Forge wrote:
J-ALL-DAY wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


George Kittle ftw. Cool


Kittle is good, but he's no Engram.


No, definitely not. But I really like him in that third / fourth round if we bypass TE in the first few rounds.


Anybucky hodges love at that spot in the draft? Big, fast and a lot of upside given his lack of experience.
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J-ALL-DAY wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


Except at about 225 he's really just abig wr, not a te. He'll be a matchup nightmare on passing downs, butlikely a liability on running plays.


Give me a dominant play making TE over a dominant run blocker. Don't care all that much that he will be a liability on running downs. Graham with NO was a liability on run plays but damn he was a force in the passing game.
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Forge wrote:
J-ALL-DAY wrote:
Forge wrote:
J-ALL-DAY wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


George Kittle ftw. Cool


Kittle is good, but he's no Engram.


No, definitely not. But I really like him in that third / fourth round if we bypass TE in the first few rounds.


Anybucky hodges love at that spot in the draft? Big, fast and a lot of upside given his lack of experience.


I think he's okay, but I have him more in the 4th round range. I'll have him below the likes of Kittle, Everett, the top 3, etc etc. He's fast, but I don't think that he has great short area burst. It really takes him a bit to get revved up, and I think that can be a problem if he's in line and gets beaten up off the line. I think he's fast in the same way that Kaepernick is fast. I also think that he plays very soft, and that's my biggest concern. He plays tight end like a finesse wide receiver,. I can't shake the Brandon Coleman thought from my head with him.
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J-ALL-DAY wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


Except at about 225 he's really just abig wr, not a te. He'll be a matchup nightmare on passing downs, butlikely a liability on running plays.



I, too, think of Engram as a big WR, but I don't care. We need a WR. Kylo loves hybrids. We have Vance who can be an effective blocker, and we just gave Juice the richest FB contract in history, and he too can line up all over the place, and be an effective blocker. Getting a physical match-up nightmare like Engram in the second would be the next best thing to having a #1 WR, in my opinion. We're not exploiting anyone with Vance. If the goal is to add a prototypical TE, then I'd look elsewhere. But if the goal is add offensive weapons (as Kylo as referred to in the past), Engram would be one.
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rudyZ wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
J-ALL-DAY wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Engram ends up being the best of the bunch when it is all said and done. I haven't made my final mock yet, but good chance I go Engram in the 2nd and Witherspoon in the 3rd.


Except at about 225 he's really just abig wr, not a te. He'll be a matchup nightmare on passing downs, butlikely a liability on running plays.



I, too, think of Engram as a big WR, but I don't care. We need a WR. Kylo loves hybrids. We have Vance who can be an effective blocker, and we just gave Juice the richest FB contract in history, and he too can line up all over the place, and be an effective blocker. Getting a physical match-up nightmare like Engram in the second would be the next best thing to having a #1 WR, in my opinion. We're not exploiting anyone with Vance. If the goal is to add a prototypical TE, then I'd look elsewhere. But if the goal is add offensive weapons (as Kylo as referred to in the past), Engram would be one.


Engram weighed in at 235 at the combine but I'm in agreeance with everyone here, Engram is a hybrid WR/TE movable piece who can be lined up almost anywhere. Wouldn't suggest, fairly certain the NFL decision makers are aware of this as well, lining him inline often but he could do it if not just to get lost in shuffle before slipping out for a pass. His versatility, size and athleticism would make him a hell of an offensive weapon though. With McDonald more of a traditional TE and Paulsen viewed as mostly a blocking a TE I don't think we'd need another traditional as an early round pick. Adding Engram at the top of the 2nd would, in my mind, push down the need to address WR in the draft as well. Maybe take a couple late round fliers on some guys but nothing above the 5th. But with Garçon, Kerley, Goodwin and the others there I feel Engram would be a great complment to them.
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Engram is my fave TE prospect simply because he is basically a large WR--and a very good one at that! I would take him over any other TE in this draft for that very reason.
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An NFC general manager told WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell that the San Francisco 49ers are "desperate to trade down."
The GM further insinuated that there is indecision within San Francisco's organization as to who they would take, if stuck in the slot, after Cleveland presumably tabs Texas A&M's Myles Garrett with the No. 1 pick. New 49ers GM John Lynch previously stated, with regards to the No. 2 pick, that he is "open for business." Walter Football hears that some around the league believe San Francisco will take North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky if they are stuck at No. 2. Another widely-discussed scenario has the 49ers taking LSU RB Leonard Fournette.

I have a feeling Trubisky is our guy, I dont know why I just have a feeling. I wouldnt hate the pick but I'd be nervous if there was as much indecision surrounding it as this quote says.

And can we also acknowledge that if any of these "leaks" end up true, we have a serious problem on our hands...again. As much as I like being in the "know" its bad for business.
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48 1/2ers wrote:
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An NFC general manager told WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell that the San Francisco 49ers are "desperate to trade down."
The GM further insinuated that there is indecision within San Francisco's organization as to who they would take, if stuck in the slot, after Cleveland presumably tabs Texas A&M's Myles Garrett with the No. 1 pick. New 49ers GM John Lynch previously stated, with regards to the No. 2 pick, that he is "open for business." Walter Football hears that some around the league believe San Francisco will take North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky if they are stuck at No. 2. Another widely-discussed scenario has the 49ers taking LSU RB Leonard Fournette.

I have a feeling Trubisky is our guy, I dont know why I just have a feeling. I wouldnt hate the pick but I'd be nervous if there was as much indecision surrounding it as this quote says.

And can we also acknowledge that if any of these "leaks" end up true, we have a serious problem on our hands...again. As much as I like being in the "know" its bad for business.


If we take either one, I'm going to be a lot more cautious with my optimism in regards to Lynch and Shanny. Especially if we take Fournette. I just cannot justify taking a Running Back 2, much less one who has legitimate questions about his overall skillset and fit as a runner. Looks like Forge and you are right, if we do tradeback, it may be a swap+peanuts.

Seriously though, if we go either of those guys...I might die a bit on the inside because I would LOVE to watch Hooker, Adams or Thomas play (even though I'm not in love with Thomas for us right now)
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48 1/2ers wrote:
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An NFC general manager told WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell that the San Francisco 49ers are "desperate to trade down."
The GM further insinuated that there is indecision within San Francisco's organization as to who they would take, if stuck in the slot, after Cleveland presumably tabs Texas A&M's Myles Garrett with the No. 1 pick. New 49ers GM John Lynch previously stated, with regards to the No. 2 pick, that he is "open for business." Walter Football hears that some around the league believe San Francisco will take North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky if they are stuck at No. 2. Another widely-discussed scenario has the 49ers taking LSU RB Leonard Fournette.

I have a feeling Trubisky is our guy, I dont know why I just have a feeling. I wouldnt hate the pick but I'd be nervous if there was as much indecision surrounding it as this quote says.

And can we also acknowledge that if any of these "leaks" end up true, we have a serious problem on our hands...again. As much as I like being in the "know" its bad for business.


Honestly, I think its a big smokescreen to have someone move up and grab Trubisky, thinking he won't fall past two. I don't think Trubisky is even on our radar@2 but that's just me...

If we do take Trubs...hell, if we take ANY QB #2 overall, I will literally vomit. And what little trust and faith I had built up for the Shanny/Lynch duo will have gone right out the window with my lunch.
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Reuben Foster failed drug test at the combine. Worst. Combine. Ever

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801347/article/alabama-linebacker-reuben-foster-failed-drug-test-at-combine

In fairness, the urine sample was diluted, not an actual positive. Foster saying it was due to food poisoning and having to drink a lot of water / gatorade.
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48 1/2ers wrote:
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An NFC general manager told WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell that the San Francisco 49ers are "desperate to trade down."
The GM further insinuated that there is indecision within San Francisco's organization as to who they would take, if stuck in the slot, after Cleveland presumably tabs Texas A&M's Myles Garrett with the No. 1 pick. New 49ers GM John Lynch previously stated, with regards to the No. 2 pick, that he is "open for business." Walter Football hears that some around the league believe San Francisco will take North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky if they are stuck at No. 2. Another widely-discussed scenario has the 49ers taking LSU RB Leonard Fournette.

I have a feeling Trubisky is our guy, I dont know why I just have a feeling. I wouldnt hate the pick but I'd be nervous if there was as much indecision surrounding it as this quote says.

And can we also acknowledge that if any of these "leaks" end up true, we have a serious problem on our hands...again. As much as I like being in the "know" its bad for business.


I said it before...if we go with Trubisky at 2, this front office will have lost a lot of faith from me moving forward. I'd just have to hope that they are right.
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757-NINER wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
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An NFC general manager told WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell that the San Francisco 49ers are "desperate to trade down."
The GM further insinuated that there is indecision within San Francisco's organization as to who they would take, if stuck in the slot, after Cleveland presumably tabs Texas A&M's Myles Garrett with the No. 1 pick. New 49ers GM John Lynch previously stated, with regards to the No. 2 pick, that he is "open for business." Walter Football hears that some around the league believe San Francisco will take North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky if they are stuck at No. 2. Another widely-discussed scenario has the 49ers taking LSU RB Leonard Fournette.

I have a feeling Trubisky is our guy, I dont know why I just have a feeling. I wouldnt hate the pick but I'd be nervous if there was as much indecision surrounding it as this quote says.

And can we also acknowledge that if any of these "leaks" end up true, we have a serious problem on our hands...again. As much as I like being in the "know" its bad for business.


Honestly, I think its a big smokescreen to have someone move up and grab Trubisky, thinking he won't fall past two. I don't think Trubisky is even on our radar@2 but that's just me...

If we do take Trubs...hell, if we take ANY QB #2 overall, I will literally vomit. And what little trust and faith I had built up for the Shanny/Lynch duo will have gone right out the window with my lunch.


Very much in agreement here.
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