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mcmurtry86


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Julian Edelman's Place In Patriots History Reply with quote

The Patriots are not a team with a long history of great WR's. Moss was without doubt the most talented. Morgan is a clear #2 in terms of pure talent. Troy Brown was clutch and epitomized the so-called "Patriot Way"

With all that said - is there is a case for Julian Edelman as being the best (not most talented) Pats WR of all time? If not, what would he need to do to earn that distinction? Nobody would argue he's a more talented player than Moss was - that would be insane. But postseason heroics count for a lot (which is why Vincent Brown is not remembered the same way as Tedy Bruschi and why Mike Vrabel is a household name in New England but Andre Tippett is increasingly not).

Has Edelman passed Troy Brown as a "Patriot great"? How much value does being a huge part of 2 crazy Super Bowl runs have compared to Moss's 2007 other-worldly regular season?

IMO, Edelman has entrenched himself in the pantheon of All Time Great Patriots. I know that when Brady and Belichick are long gone, and the Pats have (likely) returned to mediocrity, Julian Edelman's heroics and playoff reliability will be right there with the romanticized greats of the '01-'04 teams.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's definitely going to make the team HOF in his first year of eligibility.

I think if he puts together 3 more 100-catch/1000-yard seasons he'll have an outside shot at making it into Canton. The voters seem to give preferential treatment to players who were great in the postseason.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starless wrote:
I think if he puts together 3 more 100-catch/1000-yard seasons he'll have an outside shot at making it into Canton. The voters seem to give preferential treatment to players who were great in the postseason.


No. Imagine if Edelman made it and TO was still not in.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirin wrote:
Starless wrote:
I think if he puts together 3 more 100-catch/1000-yard seasons he'll have an outside shot at making it into Canton. The voters seem to give preferential treatment to players who were great in the postseason.


No. Imagine if Edelman made it and TO was still not in.
I have to think T.O. makes it in at some point.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirin wrote:
Starless wrote:
I think if he puts together 3 more 100-catch/1000-yard seasons he'll have an outside shot at making it into Canton. The voters seem to give preferential treatment to players who were great in the postseason.


No. Imagine if Edelman made it and TO was still not in.


TO will make it in. If TO wanted an easy path to Canton, he shouldn't have been such a tool
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
Kirin wrote:
Starless wrote:
I think if he puts together 3 more 100-catch/1000-yard seasons he'll have an outside shot at making it into Canton. The voters seem to give preferential treatment to players who were great in the postseason.


No. Imagine if Edelman made it and TO was still not in.


TO will make it in. If TO wanted an easy path to Canton, he shouldn't have been such a tool


This. I don't think Jules makes it though, not enough volume in his regular season resume
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol @ jules in the hof. easy patriots roh tho.

amazing how much of a polar opposite he is to welker; actually makes the big catches in big games.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stanley Morgan

Career highlights and awards

4× Pro Bowl (1979, 1980, 1986, 1987)
2× All-Pro (1980, 1986)
New England Patriots Hall of Fame

Career NFL statistics
Receptions: 557
Receiving yards: 10,716
Touchdowns: 72
yards per catch 19

Belongs in the HOF. His numbers are sick. He played on a running team and in a era when DBs could bang him from the line of scrimmage.

19 yards per catch! Average a TD every 8 catches
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many WRs that should be in the Hall, Morgan definitely deserves it
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No long time Pats fan would argue against Morgan in the HOF. He clearly belongs there. Had he played with high end QB's in his career, he'd be a top 10 all time.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Edelman last Sunday became what Welker probably should have been in regards to his place in this franchise's history.

He's now the guy that gave us the key circus check after 3 straight Super Bowls of being on the wrong side of one.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I correct in saying Welker was the better player but Edelman will always be remembered as the better Patriot. 2 Super Bowls - first one he threw for a touchdown to get there and caught the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. Second one he had 'the catch'.

Based on that Edelman will always be remembered as the better Patriot.

Anyone debate that he was better than Welker in general?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welsh Patriot wrote:
Am I correct in saying Welker was the better player but Edelman will always be remembered as the better Patriot. 2 Super Bowls - first one he threw for a touchdown to get there and caught the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. Second one he had 'the catch'.

Based on that Edelman will always be remembered as the better Patriot.

Anyone debate that he was better than Welker in general?


In general terms yes. Welker was a better version of Edelman. Definitly a more impactful individual player. He's probably the one Patriot of the Brady era who didn't get a ring that really deserved one with Mankins being the other. It's unfortunate that all the great things he did and probably being the signature receiver in Brady's career won't be remembered how it should be or in the proper context because of that dropped pass and then going to a rival team.

Edelman played very similar. A little less explosive and productive. But he has the same level of chemistry with Brady. Just not as athletic.

But Edelman will go down as the more important Patriot. He had big moments when it mattered most. And honestly that catch guaranteed him NFL immortality.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, he has.

Moss was easily the most talented, but his stint here wasn't long. Brown, is the closest to Edelman, IMO and was the epitome of the Patriot Way, but Jules is the most accomplished. He now has two rings, playing a huge part in both of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stanley Morgan is the most underrated WR in history.
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