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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.
There is zero chance the Redskins don't tag Cousins if we don't agree to a long term deal first. Unless they want to pony up multiple firsts Cousins isn't going anywhere.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.


Oh I hope this causes a bidding war and Washington makes Cousins a hundred million dollar man and is stuck with him for 5+ years


I don't think I'd be too depressed over being "stuck" with a top 10-12 QB for the next 5 years.
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I heard his top targets at QB are:

Kirk Cousins
Jimmy Garappolo
Matt Schab

Wow. Such list.

What do you guys think? I can't see Cousins leaving.
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SteelKing728 wrote:
I heard his top targets at QB are:

Kirk Cousins
Jimmy Garappolo
Matt Schab

Wow. Such list.

What do you guys think? I can't see Cousins leaving.


Nor can I. Only one of the above options will be significantly cheaper in terms of assets needed to acquire. I can see him bringing Schaub as a stop-gap.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.


Oh I hope this causes a bidding war and Washington makes Cousins a hundred million dollar man and is stuck with him for 5+ years


I don't think I'd be too depressed over being "stuck" with a top 10-12 QB for the next 5 years.


At that price, I would be.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.


Oh I hope this causes a bidding war and Washington makes Cousins a hundred million dollar man and is stuck with him for 5+ years


I don't think I'd be too depressed over being "stuck" with a top 10-12 QB for the next 5 years.


At that price, I would be.


We could pay him $40 million this season, and we'd still have more cap space than the Eagles... and finish with a better record Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two questions.

How much money do the Niners have Cap wise?
How much is the Cap hit if Cousins is Franchised Again?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Two questions.

How much money do the Niners have Cap wise?
How much is the Cap hit if Cousins is Franchised Again?



We have over 100m in cap space.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.


Oh I hope this causes a bidding war and Washington makes Cousins a hundred million dollar man and is stuck with him for 5+ years


I don't think I'd be too depressed over being "stuck" with a top 10-12 QB for the next 5 years.


At that price, I would be.


We could pay him $40 million this season, and we'd still have more cap space than the Eagles... and finish with a better record Laughing


This season, yes. But it will also affect future seasons, and every dollar is valuable. Cousins isn't the guy to lead to a Super Bowl. Now, I think he can win a Super Bowl with a great team around him. But I think a bidding war to make him overpaid prevents the Skins from ever getting to that point.
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MemphisEagles wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.


Oh I hope this causes a bidding war and Washington makes Cousins a hundred million dollar man and is stuck with him for 5+ years


I don't think I'd be too depressed over being "stuck" with a top 10-12 QB for the next 5 years.


At that price, I would be.


We could pay him $40 million this season, and we'd still have more cap space than the Eagles... and finish with a better record Laughing


This season, yes. But it will also affect future seasons, and every dollar is valuable. Cousins isn't the guy to lead to a Super Bowl. Now, I think he can win a Super Bowl with a great team around him. But I think a bidding war to make him overpaid prevents the Skins from ever getting to that point.


We're not a team that spends heavy in FA anymore anyway. We build through the draft. Will it be hard to build a great team around Cousins if we give him over $23 million APY? Yes. But it will be far from impossible, considering our methodology of building through the draft.

Before this season, most would have said Matt Ryan couldn't lead you to a SB. His cap hit was $23.8 million this year, and will be the same next season. The Falcons were still able to build a great offense around him somehow and got to the SB (without even needing a great defense). It can definitely be done.

It looks like we'll still be in a better cap situation than the Eagles the next couple years, regardless.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MemphisEagles wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
MemphisEagles wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
I saw on NFLN that Cousins would be one of their top targets if Washington doesn't tag/sign him.


Oh I hope this causes a bidding war and Washington makes Cousins a hundred million dollar man and is stuck with him for 5+ years


I don't think I'd be too depressed over being "stuck" with a top 10-12 QB for the next 5 years.


At that price, I would be.


I think you're under valuing the market for quarterbacks. Look at Osweiler's deal. 20+ million for Cousins is pretty standard at this point. He's a legit top 12 guy.
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In no order, there's Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Derek Carr, and Matthew Stafford. That's 11 QBs from the top of my head that should be in the top 12.
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RoyalMajesty51o wrote:
In no order, there's Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Derek Carr, and Matthew Stafford. That's 11 QBs from the top of my head that should be in the top 12.


I did the numbers in the 49er forum...probably closer to 15 than 12. But, it's not like there's a world separating some of these guys. Matt Ryan is coming off a career season he's unlikely to duplicate. Sure, I'd put him over Cousins, but at the same time, what about the Ryan from 2 years ago? Eh. Some of them are clearly over Cousins, but others, even if you take them over Cousins, would probably be int eh same tier class.

There is a considerable drop from the likes of Cousins into that next tier though, in my opinion.

Still wouldn't matter with regards to the contract...you're very unlikely to find a quarterback as good as Cousins in the draft on any given year (go back over the last 5 drafts and see how many quarterbacks were taken that you think have reached Cousins' level...its very very few overall), and that's the market for guys of this caliber. Andy dalton got 6/96, and I do think that Cousins is the superior player.
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rudyZ wrote:
Nabbs4u wrote:
Two questions.

How much money do the Niners have Cap wise?
How much is the Cap hit if Cousins is Franchised Again?



We have over 100m in cap space.



Washington fans assuming Cousins is a slam dunk re-signing need to realize when teams like SF above who might be interested have that much money, Kirk isn't signing a Cap friendly deal. If anything He might even hold hard feelings towards the Organization for not believing in him last season with a Long term deal. Let the bidding war begin!!! Cool

What's the Cap hit if Washington Franchises him two years in a row? Honestly think that's their only option. They can't risk him hitting FA and some team out bidding them.
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Nabbs4u wrote:
rudyZ wrote:
Nabbs4u wrote:
Two questions.

How much money do the Niners have Cap wise?
How much is the Cap hit if Cousins is Franchised Again?



We have over 100m in cap space.



Washington fans assuming Cousins is a slam dunk re-signing need to realize when teams like SF above who might be interested have that much money, Kirk isn't signing a Cap friendly deal. If anything He might even hold hard feelings towards the Organization for not believing in him last season with a Long term deal. Let the bidding war begin!!! Cool

What's the Cap hit if Washington Franchises him two years in a row? Honestly think that's their only option. They can't risk him hitting FA and some team out bidding them.


I think 24 or 25 million if they tag him again
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