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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
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MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
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Wait a second. Pryor wanted to come to the Redskins and play with Kirk Cousins. DJ Swearinger wanted to play in DC also so he could be reunited with Josh Norman. If we had overpaid for a 31 year old Campbell, we probably could have signed him and if we were willing to give Hankins or Poe or Logan $10 million plus a year we could have had them. I'm sure we could have overpaid for Minter or another ILB to lock them up also.

Is that want everyone wants?

Next offseason we'll hopefully have to pay Breeland, Long, Moses and Murphy on long term deals because they will have earned it this season. Home grown talent that Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden drafted in 2014, I think we should keep that in mind. Wink


Never lose those burgundy colored glasses Turtle. Never.
You know what I'm saying is true, you all just want to be pessimistic because Scot is gone and you don't at the least have an open mind that we could have a successful season and re-sign Kirk long term without him.

I understand the skepticism given that Scot is gone but to not give Allen & Gruden a chance is a bit ridiculous. The thing is that we won't have a choice, the decision has been made so they're going to get their chance this offseason and season to improve on last year's record and there's nothing all the pessimists can do to stop that.
The problem I have is that you always act like this, and then when you end up wrong you never own up to it.
I wouldn't say "I always act like that." At times I do, everyone likes to be right, that's part of the fun of the forum to make a prediction and be right about it. It's like betting on something without having to put any $ down on it.

As for the "I never own up to being wrong." Not a more untrue statement has ever been written. I admit to when I'm wrong far more than most. I've rarely ever heard you admit you were wrong before.

Moses, Murphy & Cravens discussions are the ones which come to my mind right away.


You should at least have logical information if not facts to support your prediction. Also when wrong, be honest about it.
I do. This conversation is over! What a load of BS
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Wait a second. Pryor wanted to come to the Redskins and play with Kirk Cousins. DJ Swearinger wanted to play in DC also so he could be reunited with Josh Norman. If we had overpaid for a 31 year old Campbell, we probably could have signed him and if we were willing to give Hankins or Poe or Logan $10 million plus a year we could have had them. I'm sure we could have overpaid for Minter or another ILB to lock them up also.

Is that want everyone wants?

Next offseason we'll hopefully have to pay Breeland, Long, Moses and Murphy on long term deals because they will have earned it this season. Home grown talent that Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden drafted in 2014, I think we should keep that in mind. Wink


Never lose those burgundy colored glasses Turtle. Never.
You know what I'm saying is true, you all just want to be pessimistic because Scot is gone and you don't at the least have an open mind that we could have a successful season and re-sign Kirk long term without him.

I understand the skepticism given that Scot is gone but to not give Allen & Gruden a chance is a bit ridiculous. The thing is that we won't have a choice, the decision has been made so they're going to get their chance this offseason and season to improve on last year's record and there's nothing all the pessimists can do to stop that.
The problem I have is that you always act like this, and then when you end up wrong you never own up to it.
I wouldn't say "I always act like that." At times I do, everyone likes to be right, that's part of the fun of the forum to make a prediction and be right about it. It's like betting on something without having to put any $ down on it.

As for the "I never own up to being wrong." Not a more untrue statement has ever been written. I admit to when I'm wrong far more than most. I've rarely ever heard you admit you were wrong before.

Moses, Murphy & Cravens discussions are the ones which come to my mind right away.


You should at least have logical information if not facts to support your prediction. Also when wrong, be honest about it.
I do. This conversation is over! What a load of BS



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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?


Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.

When discussing the draft and things of that nature, be realistic. Realistically my off season plan was possible. While getting Hankins is possible, if we haven't been connected to him anyhow getting him wouldn't be realistic.
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?


Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.

When discussing the draft and things of that nature, be realistic. Realistically my off season plan was possible. While getting Hankins is possible, if we haven't been connected to him anyhow getting him wouldn't be realistic.
Please post your offseason plan. The only thing I remember is you screaming for us to get rid of Cousins.
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MKnight82 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?


Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.

When discussing the draft and things of that nature, be realistic. Realistically my off season plan was possible. While getting Hankins is possible, if we haven't been connected to him anyhow getting him wouldn't be realistic.
Please post your offseason plan. The only thing I remember is you screaming for us to get rid of Cousins.


That's how much you believe I hate Cousins. When that's not the case. He just isn't worth the richest contract in NFL history ethier. 70 million guaranteed was my stopping point. It was to basically sure up the Dline and get some help for the Oline. Sign Williams or Poe along with Hightower, Leary, and Calis Campbell. Also resigning Baker and Jackson. Would be fine losing Jackson for Pryor.

Cousins is traded to San Fran for #2 and #34 only if 70 million isnt enough to make him stay. Four picks in the top 50.
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?


Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.

When discussing the draft and things of that nature, be realistic. Realistically my off season plan was possible. While getting Hankins is possible, if we haven't been connected to him anyhow getting him wouldn't be realistic.
Please post your offseason plan. The only thing I remember is you screaming for us to get rid of Cousins.


That's how much you believe I hate Cousins. When that's not the case. He just isn't worth the richest contract in NFL history ethier. 70 million guaranteed was my stopping point. It was to basically sure up the Dline and get some help for the Oline. Sign Williams or Poe along with Hightower, Leary, and Calis Campbell. Also resigning Baker and Jackson. Would be fine losing Jackson for Pryor.

Cousins is traded to San Fran for #2 and #34 only if 70 million isnt enough to make him stay. Four picks in the top 50.
Yep.
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MKnight82 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?


Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.

When discussing the draft and things of that nature, be realistic. Realistically my off season plan was possible. While getting Hankins is possible, if we haven't been connected to him anyhow getting him wouldn't be realistic.
Please post your offseason plan. The only thing I remember is you screaming for us to get rid of Cousins.


That's how much you believe I hate Cousins. When that's not the case. He just isn't worth the richest contract in NFL history ethier. 70 million guaranteed was my stopping point. It was to basically sure up the Dline and get some help for the Oline. Sign Williams or Poe along with Hightower, Leary, and Calis Campbell. Also resigning Baker and Jackson. Would be fine losing Jackson for Pryor.

Cousins is traded to San Fran for #2 and #34 only if 70 million isnt enough to make him stay. Four picks in the top 50.
Yep.


An opinion not Fact. Yet its a fact Bruce Allen was jealous of SM and you have more willingness to pay attention to the nonsense he does/says. Never would I do or want anything to happen or get this franchise a SB!
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?


Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.

When discussing the draft and things of that nature, be realistic. Realistically my off season plan was possible. While getting Hankins is possible, if we haven't been connected to him anyhow getting him wouldn't be realistic.
Please post your offseason plan. The only thing I remember is you screaming for us to get rid of Cousins.


That's how much you believe I hate Cousins. When that's not the case. He just isn't worth the richest contract in NFL history ethier. 70 million guaranteed was my stopping point. It was to basically sure up the Dline and get some help for the Oline. Sign Williams or Poe along with Hightower, Leary, and Calis Campbell. Also resigning Baker and Jackson. Would be fine losing Jackson for Pryor.

Cousins is traded to San Fran for #2 and #34 only if 70 million isnt enough to make him stay. Four picks in the top 50.
Yep.


An opinion not Fact. Yet its a fact Bruce Allen was jealous of SM and you have more willingness to pay attention to the nonsense he does/says. Never would I do or want anything to happen or get this franchise a SB!
I literally have a sig that says fire bruce allen.
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
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Former Cardinals linebacker Kevin Minter, former Bills linebacker Zach Brown, and former Giants defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins are all still available. If we land one of these 3, my undies will steaming as Chad Dukes would say.

If we land two, I'll have to change my undies. If we land all 3, I'll have to change my undies and my long pants! Laughing


When they sign none, guess you will still be wearing the same "I don't cheer for upper management I cheer for the players undies" Redskins haven't been linked to any of these guys. I doubt they sign any of them.
I do cheer for the players. I'm beyond worrying about Dan Snyder. The quicker you can get to the "I don't give a crap" about upper management, cheer for the players, the better it'll be. If we can't sign any of them, so be it, then it's on to the draft.

Scott time!

http://www.redskins.com/team/staff/scott-campbell/4f1e3b8d-55f6-4a22-9363-34308f2515ce?qwr=fullsite_temporary

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Since Campbell’s return to college scouting in 2006, every first round selection by the Redskins (except 2016 1st round pick Josh Doctson)has qualified for the Pro Bowl during their NFL careers (Brandon Scherff, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Kerrigan, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo and LaRon Landry). Campbell and the personnel staff oversaw a 10-player class in the 2015 NFL Draft that made an immediate impact en route to the team’s NFC East title run that season. The team secured All-Rookie selection Brandon Scherff in the first round, rookie sack leader Preston Smith in the second round, franchise record-holder for rookie receptions Jamison Crowder in the fourth round, and jack-of-all-trades defensive back Kyshoen Jarrett in the sixth round, among others. Said ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper after the 2015 season, “They got as much impact from rookies as any team in the NFL.”


So who will you give credit to for the 2017 picks Allen or Campbell?
Allen, but I'll know that guys like Campbell, Doug Williams, the scouts and the coaches did most of the background work on the prospects. That being said, I think Allen will be making the final decisions like he did in 2014.


Ok so all I'm saying is you have to find players that you think Allen would like IMO. He likes offensive guys 1st round. Plus wants to keep Kirk Cousins. What better way to do that than giving him a new contract along with new toy on offense?
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turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
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Wait a second. Pryor wanted to come to the Redskins and play with Kirk Cousins. DJ Swearinger wanted to play in DC also so he could be reunited with Josh Norman. If we had overpaid for a 31 year old Campbell, we probably could have signed him and if we were willing to give Hankins or Poe or Logan $10 million plus a year we could have had them. I'm sure we could have overpaid for Minter or another ILB to lock them up also.

Is that want everyone wants?

Next offseason we'll hopefully have to pay Breeland, Long, Moses and Murphy on long term deals because they will have earned it this season. Home grown talent that Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden drafted in 2014, I think we should keep that in mind. Wink


Never lose those burgundy colored glasses Turtle. Never.
You know what I'm saying is true, you all just want to be pessimistic because Scot is gone and you don't at the least have an open mind that we could have a successful season and re-sign Kirk long term without him.

I understand the skepticism given that Scot is gone but to not give Allen & Gruden a chance is a bit ridiculous. The thing is that we won't have a choice, the decision has been made so they're going to get their chance this offseason and season to improve on last year's record and there's nothing all the pessimists can do to stop that.


Of course we can't stop it. We don't own the team. What I AM in control of is what I believe in terms of Bruce's ability to field a competitive roster long term. That, I'm afraid, is not going to happen. His track record is not too good with me.
Thank god for Gruden! He sure overcame some of Scot's poor decisions in the draft and free agency in 2015 & 16 to have the team get two winning seasons in a row for the first time in 20 years. I believe Gruden can do it again despite Allen's ineptness. As far as Allen's ineptness goes thought, thank god for Doug Williams (who found Anthony Lanier), Scott Campbell and Alex Santos to Aldo build the roster as well 't.as our coaches; Gruden, Callahan, Manusky and Tomsula.


Except, so far, I don't have much to quibble about the last 2 drafts. And the FA pickups? A lot of the time, FA acquisitions fail to pan out. There are some that do. But IMHO, most don't
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Laughing Don't get mad bro...We don't control anything.. At least not yet!
I'm only mad because for one it's not true and two, over the last week or so conversations have gotten increasingly hostel because people won't let others have a different option and just disagree about it.

I get told by two mods that I need to stop taking a players stats from the year before and predict that based on a second year of them starting in the NFL that they might get a few more sacks and a few more tackles - which is just unbelievable to me.

Then, I get some guy telling me I always act like a know it all and I never admit I'm wrong when that poster is a far more description of that than I. Just because we don't always agree doesn't mean I always act like a know at all or never admit I'm wrong. It's just a load of crap. We shouldn't even be discussing dislikes about each other. We should be discussing football, free agency and the draft; Not whether one poster wants the other one to admit he's wrong more often which, is something they shouldn't even care about at all, it's not like we're married.


To your second paragraph I do understand what you mean. It's like predicting Elliot couldn't get more if not at least meet his stats from last year, I would agree on that. Than you have other guys like Murphy if you ( not even meaning you personally) were to say he is gonna get 6 sacks again this season. I would disagree. Correct?
Right and no one was his 47 tackle, 9 sack season coming last year either. People constantly undervalue their own favorite teams young players because in their first year or two they hadn't broken out yet.

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Its about the talent of that player though. Zeek is a total different talent than Murphy. With or without PEDs. Just like Poe, Williams, Hankins, and Logan vs Mcgee and McClain.
That's definitely true, but more often than not most players get better and more consistent as starters the more playing time they get, this shouldn't be any different for them, whether ppl love to hate them or not. If you ask me, that's an honest analysis, not an opinion.

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I am realistic. I've been that way since I joined this forum in college for the first time - under a different username that I changed because I forgot my password - back in 2001 or 2002.
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Thaiphoon wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Wait a second. Pryor wanted to come to the Redskins and play with Kirk Cousins. DJ Swearinger wanted to play in DC also so he could be reunited with Josh Norman. If we had overpaid for a 31 year old Campbell, we probably could have signed him and if we were willing to give Hankins or Poe or Logan $10 million plus a year we could have had them. I'm sure we could have overpaid for Minter or another ILB to lock them up also.

Is that want everyone wants?

Next offseason we'll hopefully have to pay Breeland, Long, Moses and Murphy on long term deals because they will have earned it this season. Home grown talent that Bruce Allen and Jay Gruden drafted in 2014, I think we should keep that in mind. Wink


Never lose those burgundy colored glasses Turtle. Never.
You know what I'm saying is true, you all just want to be pessimistic because Scot is gone and you don't at the least have an open mind that we could have a successful season and re-sign Kirk long term without him.

I understand the skepticism given that Scot is gone but to not give Allen & Gruden a chance is a bit ridiculous. The thing is that we won't have a choice, the decision has been made so they're going to get their chance this offseason and season to improve on last year's record and there's nothing all the pessimists can do to stop that.


Of course we can't stop it. We don't own the team. What I AM in control of is what I believe in terms of Bruce's ability to field a competitive roster long term. That, I'm afraid, is not going to happen. His track record is not too good with me.
Thank god for Gruden! He sure overcame some of Scot's poor decisions in the draft and free agency in 2015 & 16 to have the team get two winning seasons in a row for the first time in 20 years. I believe Gruden can do it again despite Allen's ineptness. As far as Allen's ineptness goes thought, thank god for Doug Williams (who found Anthony Lanier), Scott Campbell and Alex Santos to Aldo build the roster as well 't.as our coaches; Gruden, Callahan, Manusky and Tomsula.


Except, so far, I don't have much to quibble about the last 2 drafts. And the FA pickups? A lot of the time, FA acquisitions fail to pan out. There are some that do. But IMHO, most don't
I find that questionable. If you were the GM?

1. DE Leonard Williams or Brandon Scherff?

2. NT Eddie Goldman or Preston Smith?

3. Jeremy Langford or Matt Jones?

4. Would you have traded for Dashon Goldson as GM?

5. Would you sign Jerron Johnson or Will Demps to as a stop gap to compete for a starting S?

6. DE/DT Nick Fairley and NT Ahtyba Rubin or RJF and Potroast?

7. When you were saying who we should draft in 2016, were you saying Josh Doctson or best available defender - preferably DL?

8. Sign Kendall Reyes or Nick Fairley again?

9. Pay for the pro bowl NT Damon Harrison or role with Kedric Golston?

10. Sign a 2nd career back up - like Jerron Johnson in 2015 - to be your new starting SS - David Bruton - instead of playing Sua Cravens your rookie SS you just drafted there or spending on a pro bowl caliber S with the money you did have on Tashaun Gipson, Rodney McLeod, Reggie Nelson or Tayvon Branch?

11. Would you Not re-sign Alfred Morris because you're convinced that Matt Jones is the next Marshawn Lynch or Frank Gore?

I mean, let's be honest here folks, NOT biased because of one man's reputation.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So a thought just popped in my mind that probably won't happen, but who knows. If we don't draft a running back and given the fact that Mccloughan is gone now, what are the chances we re-sign Alfred Morris if the Cowboys cut him sometime later this offseason?

So, what do you think? If we don't draft a running back do you think we'll just roll with the guys we have in house this training camp or would we bring back Mortis if he's cut?

I hope we bring back Morris at least for competition if he's cut.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Turtle - using the hindsight you are using I could go through every single GMs draft and FA pick-up history in the league and make him look like a terrible talent evaluator. Every. Single. GM.
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