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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject: Chargers hire Gus Bradley as DC Reply with quote

I feel that Bradley is a bad hire. Does he even have a 3-4 background, let alone any experience running a one gap 3-4 scheme? What exactly does he bring other than the fact that he ran Pete Carroll's defensive scheme in Seattle?

https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822641986549202949

Also Ollie Wilson has also been let go (there you go LBC).
https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822573146146557952
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me know who plays Leo, Otto, Lotto for you guys.

Gus sucks. Not much else to say.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Chargers hire Gus Bradley as DC Reply with quote

Xenos wrote:
I feel that Bradley is a bad hire. Does he even have a 3-4 background, let alone any experience running a one gap 3-4 scheme? What exactly does he bring other than the fact that he ran Pete Carroll's defensive scheme in Seattle?

https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822641986549202949

Also Ollie Wilson has also been let go (there you go LBC).
https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822573146146557952


Bradley's scheme uses 3-4 personnel.(it's a mixture of one-gapping and two-gapping)

But I'm not a fan of Bradley. He's not a terrible DC or anything, but he's too passive for my taste.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Chargers hire Gus Bradley as DC Reply with quote

Xenos wrote:
I feel that Bradley is a bad hire. Does he even have a 3-4 background, let alone any experience running a one gap 3-4 scheme? What exactly does he bring other than the fact that he ran Pete Carroll's defensive scheme in Seattle?

https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822641986549202949

Also Ollie Wilson has also been let go (there you go LBC). almost 3 year
https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822573146146557952

Chargers haven't run a 1-gap 3-4 for a majority of their snaps in 3 years. Pagano ran a 4-3 Over, not all that dissimilar from what Bradley/Carroll/Quinn (and a number of coordinators around the league use - as it's really not all that different from what Wade Phillips' defense was the last couple seasons with Denver, aside from one or two shifts in gap assignments).

Moreover, and probably one of the main reasons the Chargers haven't run a pure 3-4 1-gap scheme lately, the team hasn't had an 7T or 9T edge-rusher who can consistently get home to the tune of 12+ sacks per season since they allowed Shaun Phillips to move on - and even that was debatable, as IIRC he topped out at 10 sacks in his last couple seasons.

Considering that a majority of teams across the league operate out of nickel or dime packages for 60+ percent of their snaps nowadays, 1) This alleged change in scheme (which isn't actually a change in scheme) isn't really that significant and 2) it fits the personnel the Chargers have better than running a pure 1-gap 3-4 would. To my knowledge, in Bradley's scheme no one is going to ask Bosa to 2-gap in the traditional sense (not like he couldn't), he's still going to play the same 4-Tech that he did a majority of last season's snaps. Liuget, until they can replace him and unload that contract, is a more natural 3-Tech than he is a 5-Tech, so the scheme plays to his strengths. And Mebane has played the exact role in this scheme that he'll be asked to play... for this exact same coordinator. Morevoer - though I doubt they'll do it - the scheme makes it easier to not feel forced into giving Melvin Ingram $10m+/yr that he'll no doubt be commanding, because there really isn't a great natural fit in the scheme for him (LEO, I suppose, but honestly a more natural speed-rusher like Attaochu projects better there), and is there really anything he brings to the SLB position that someone like Jatavis wouldn't project just as well at if not better... and even if you opt to line Jatavis up at WILL, Toomer has shown to project just as well at SLB as Ingram would at a fraction of the cost.

What this scheme will require is a near-the-line safety that can actually man-up on TE's and RB's, which the team really doesn't have right now. And a deep centerfielder - which they could definitely stand to improve upon.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KhanYouDigIt wrote:
Let me know who plays Leo, Otto, Lotto for you guys.

Gus sucks. Not much else to say.

Best fit right now that I can see:

LEO: Jerry Attaochu (though I'd imagine it's probably a position they'll draft with the future in mind, as well)
Otto: Jatavis Brown
Lotto: If (who am I kidding... when) the team keeps him, this is probably where Mlevin Ingram slots in. Could see them giving Korey Toomer or Kyle Emanuel looks there as well - it might actually be an extremely natural position for Emanuel, I'm just not sure he wouldn't forever be someone you'd be looking to improve upon, however.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Chargers hire Gus Bradley as DC Reply with quote

Xenos wrote:
I feel that Bradley is a bad hire. Does he even have a 3-4 background, let alone any experience running a one gap 3-4 scheme? What exactly does he bring other than the fact that he ran Pete Carroll's defensive scheme in Seattle?

https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822641986549202949

Also Ollie Wilson has also been let go (there you go LBC).
https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822573146146557952


Seattle's 4-3 under is more or less the same in terms of responsibility to what you'll see in most one gap 3-4 schemes. Bradley's Seattle defenses used basically the same kind of personnel as KC's recent 3-4 defenses, just with a difference in who does and doesn't have their hand in the dirt, for instance.

Kind of a meh hire, I'd say. Seattle's scheme is really incredibly simple, it's just a matter of the fact that they've had perfect personnel to run it. Makes me skeptical of any coach coming out of Seattle's defense. They don't really have to do a whole lot in terms of play calling there. And it certainly didn't go much better for him in Jacksonville.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about a defensive roster that isn't built to run a Bradley Seahawks scheme.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: Chargers hire Gus Bradley as DC Reply with quote

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Xenos wrote:
I feel that Bradley is a bad hire. Does he even have a 3-4 background, let alone any experience running a one gap 3-4 scheme? What exactly does he bring other than the fact that he ran Pete Carroll's defensive scheme in Seattle?

https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822641986549202949

Also Ollie Wilson has also been let go (there you go LBC). almost 3 year
https://twitter.com/sdutGehlken/status/822573146146557952

Chargers haven't run a 1-gap 3-4 for a majority of their snaps in 3 years. Pagano ran a 4-3 Over, not all that dissimilar from what Bradley/Carroll/Quinn (and a number of coordinators around the league use - as it's really not all that different from what Wade Phillips' defense was the last couple seasons with Denver, aside from one or two shifts in gap assignments).

Moreover, and probably one of the main reasons the Chargers haven't run a pure 3-4 1-gap scheme lately, the team hasn't had an 7T or 9T edge-rusher who can consistently get home to the tune of 12+ sacks per season since they allowed Shaun Phillips to move on - and even that was debatable, as IIRC he topped out at 10 sacks in his last couple seasons.

Considering that a majority of teams across the league operate out of nickel or dime packages for 60+ percent of their snaps nowadays, 1) This alleged change in scheme (which isn't actually a change in scheme) isn't really that significant and 2) it fits the personnel the Chargers have better than running a pure 1-gap 3-4 would. To my knowledge, in Bradley's scheme no one is going to ask Bosa to 2-gap in the traditional sense (not like he couldn't), he's still going to play the same 4-Tech that he did a majority of last season's snaps. Liuget, until they can replace him and unload that contract, is a more natural 3-Tech than he is a 5-Tech, so the scheme plays to his strengths. And Mebane has played the exact role in this scheme that he'll be asked to play... for this exact same coordinator. Morevoer - though I doubt they'll do it - the scheme makes it easier to not feel forced into giving Melvin Ingram $10m+/yr that he'll no doubt be commanding, because there really isn't a great natural fit in the scheme for him (LEO, I suppose, but honestly a more natural speed-rusher like Attaochu projects better there), and is there really anything he brings to the SLB position that someone like Jatavis wouldn't project just as well at if not better... and even if you opt to line Jatavis up at WILL, Toomer has shown to project just as well at SLB as Ingram would at a fraction of the cost.

What this scheme will require is a near-the-line safety that can actually man-up on TE's and RB's, which the team really doesn't have right now. And a deep centerfielder - which they could definitely stand to improve upon.


Yea but that's not that hard to find. There are a number of those guys in FA this year.

My bigger concern is Bosa. Will Bradley give him the sort of freedom he needs to give him in the scheme? Judging based on Michael Bennett, I expect so. But you never know.
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Is there any chance Gus is gonna be flexible in regards to our cornerback situation? (Given his preference for press-coverage). Verrett and Heyward are two of the three best players on the defense. I'd be pretty pissed off if their contributions aren't maximized.

(Though, Verrett is actually a pretty good press-corner despite his size, and Heyward only has one year left on his contract).
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I think Attaouchu projects best as the LEO. He is a twitchy guy that has better length to go against Offensive Tackles than say Melvin Ingram if retained. However if the Bolts brass decide to play someone else as the LEO, I still feel JA97 could play the SLB.

Ingram I think could play the SAM, in similar fashion to Bruce Irvin (although iirc he was used as a LEO his rookie year in Seattle before moving to a full time SLB?). I just don't know at this point of Ingram would want to stay and play that role, compared to say potentially signing with someone like Pittsburgh where he would be able to continue playing as a "3-4 OLB/EDGE".

Bosa is a stud and can really play multiple positions: LEO, SSDE (asked to "two-gap"), and "kick inside" during Nickel/Sub packages in similar fashion to Michael Bennet/Justin Tuck. Or he could just continue to dominate as a true Defensive End (on passing downs) with other guys rotating inside for Mebane (i.e. Caraun Reid/draftee/FA signing).

Jatavis seems like a "shoe in" as a WOLB (KJ Wright) but also might see more snaps as the Mike since Perryman is more of a "thumper" at this point in his career. Brown and Toomer (if retained) would be good coverage guys on passing downs.

I think the upcoming draft will be an exciting time for our Defense's personnel. A lot of Charger fans want us to draft An Offensive Tackle early, but the value isn't there with this year's crop of Tackles at #7 (Robinson or Ramczyk). I would honestly rather see them take a look at guys like: Garrett Bolles, Dion Dawkins or Antonio Garcia outside of the 1st round in terms of Offensive Tackles. A Safety like Malik Hooker would be a great Centerfielder/Ballhawk in a similar mold to Earl Thomas. I am also a big fan of Budda Baker (potentially in the 2nd if he lasts?) who I think could also fit in this role. Jamal Adams is a stud as well, I wouldn't be disappointed if they decided to go that route. His projection seems to be more to that of a true SS, but has positional flexibility like Eric Berry (can play either Safety spot). If the Chargers opt to not draft a Safety early, then I think someone like Malik McDowell (SSDE), TJ Watt (SLB) or Desmond King (CB / Potential FS) could also be targets for Bradley's Defense (but I am not advocating to select these guys at #7, they just seem like "potential fits" for his 4-3 Under).

Should be an interesting/exciting few months leading up to FA / the Draft.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's a better DC than HC. Still seems like a pretty uninspiring hire tho.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheKillerNacho wrote:
I think he's a better DC than HC. Still seems like a pretty uninspiring hire tho.


Its the Chargers. Did you expect good hires? Confused
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FourThreeMafia wrote:
TheKillerNacho wrote:
I think he's a better DC than HC. Still seems like a pretty uninspiring hire tho.


Its the Chargers. Did you expect good hires? Confused


Well, no. But you never know.
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Gus is a great human being, and I wish him nothing but the greatest of successes. If anyone deserves to make it in this league as a coach, it's him.

That said, I'm not really sure he's a good coach at all. To me, it looks like he got lucky to have the best defensive talent in the NFL and coasted on that to being a big name. There wasn't much he showed in the 4 years here that suggested he was a good coach, and his lack of desire to flex the scheme to accommodate talent at all was puzzling.

I'm like 95% confident Bosa is your LEO if he keeps his scheme, whether or not Bosa actually fits that role.

jrry32 wrote:
My bigger concern is Bosa. Will Bradley give him the sort of freedom he needs to give him in the scheme? Judging based on Michael Bennett, I expect so. But you never know.
Bennett signed after Gus left.

Gus never used a pass rusher on that End spot, and never really moved guys around. Gus was also given data by Tony Khan that showed the importance of the SDE/5T/LE being able to rush the passer and completely ignored it in favor of wanting elephant run stopping ends. He never even tried to get someone who could rush the passer over there, even when Khan gave him names that could do it (Ansah being the big one). They spent a ton of money putting a space heater there. Heck, even when they had Malik Jackson, Sheldon Day and Abry Jones all showing pass rush ability from the interior (and Malik having the ability to play SDE), he still refused to get a pass rush out of that spot.
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TheKillerNacho wrote:
I think he's a better DC than HC. Still seems like a pretty uninspiring hire tho.

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