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Rich7sena


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject: The 2017 Raiders Mock Draft Thread | Rolni *4/19/17* Reply with quote

Since it is the time of year, I figure we consolidate all of the mock offseasons into one thread. The purpose of this thread is to post you mock offseasons and provide commentary to others.

Without further ado: Rich7sena's Mock Offseason V.III

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Free Agency
~Projected cap space: $44.6 million (spotrac.com)~

Release:
Aldon Smith - $5.7 million projected savings
Dan Williams - $4.5 million projected savings
Sebastian Janikowski - $4.05 million projected savings
Austin Howard - $3.6 million projected savings
Keith McGill - 690,000 projected savings

Restructure:
Derek Carr - $7 million signing bonus for 2017 ($8 + base salary)

~Projected cap space: $55.14 million~

Re-sign:
Perry Riley - 3 years, $10.5 million
Stacy McGee - 3 years, $6 million
Menelik Watson - 1 year, $2 million
Brynden Trawick - 2 years, $2 million

Sign:
Dontari Poe - 4 years, $36 million
Lawrence Timmons - 2 years, $12 million

Extension:
Derek Carr - 4 years, $90 million

Trade:
Kyle Fuller acquired from the Chicago Bears for 6th round pick

~Projected ending cap space: $28.56 million~
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NFL Draft (based on my own draft projections)
Round 1 - Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
Round 2 - Marcus Maye, DB, Florida
Round 3 - Anthony Walker Jr., LB, Northwestern
Round 4 - Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama
Round 5 - Dan Skipper, OL, Arkansas
Round 7 - De'Veon Smith, RB, Michigan
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2017 Preliminary Roster

Offense
QB: Derek Carr, Connor Cook
RB: DeAndre Washington, Jalen Richard, De’Veon Smith
FB: Jamize Olawale
WR: Amari Cooper, Michael Crabtree, Seth Roberts, Johnny Holton
TE: Lee Smith, Clive Walford, Gerald Everett
OT: Donald Penn, Menelik Watson, Cam Robinson, Dan Skipper
OG: Kelechi Osemele, Gabe Jackson, John Feliciano, Vadal Alexander
C: Rodney Hudson, John Feliciano


Defense
DE/DT: Mario Edwards Jr., Stacy McGee, Jihad Ward, Denico Autry
NT: Dontari Poe, Justin Ellis, Darius Latham
OLB/Edge: Khalil Mack, Bruce Irvin, Aldon Smith, Shilique Calhoun, James Cowser
ILB: Perry Riley, Lawrence Timmons, Anthony Walker Jr., Corey James, Tyrell Adams
CB: Sean Smith, David Amerson, Travis Carrie, Kyle Fuller, Dexter McDonald, Antonio Hamilton
S: Karl Joseph, Reggie Nelson, Marcus Maye, Brynden Trawick


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really want to pay 11.5M per year for a NT?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
You really want to pay 11.5M per year for a NT?


This is my main issue. Cutting aldon and then paying Poe 11.5.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why cut Aldon? I think Seabass stays put but chops his salary in half. He's on the tail end and more than likely just rides it out. Like picking up Spence and coming back and drafting Walker. Outside of letting Aldon go if this is how the next few months played out I'd be happy.
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/damon-harrison-10400/

The top of the market for NTs was set by Harrison just last year. I don't think Poe ends up going for much more than that (could be less). I wouldn't want to be the team that signs him for 11.5M/Y anyway. There are other options.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/damon-harrison-10400/

The top of the market for NTs was set by Harrison just last year. I don't think Poe ends up going for much more than that (could be less). I wouldn't want to be the team that signs him for 11.5M/Y anyway. There are other options.
Yeah he got like 9.25M
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Updated*

Fixed some numbers (had Carr's extension salary factored into his 2017 salary by mistake), added a trade, etc.

Don't forget to post your own, too!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's mine.

Salary Cap space: 49.7M (Spotrac)

Proven Performance Escalator

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Art. 7, §4 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement establishes what is known as the Proven Performance Escalator (PPE). The PPE creates an automatic raise in the fourth year Paragraph 5 salary of players still on their rookie contracts (drafted between Rounds 3 and 7) who have participated in either 35% of a teams offensive or defensive snaps in two of his first three seasons, or in 35% of all offensive or defensive snaps over his entire first three years. Players who earn the PPE will see their fourth year P5 salary raise to the lowest restricted free agent (RFA) tender for that season.


Gabe Jackson, Justin Ellis and Travis Carrie are going to benefit from this escalator. Which means their base salaries will jump to around 1.7M for 2017.

Gabe Jackson: 1.7M (850k)
Justin Ellis: 1.7M (800k)
Travis Carrie: 1.7M (700k)

So that's a 2.75M raise total for those 3.

Cap Space: 47M


Derek Carr's extension: 5 years/123M (33M signing bonus)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/andrew-luck-9811/
Only the prorated portion of his signing bonus will count against the 2017 salary cap (33/5=6.6M) if we assume the contract is structured like Luck's.

Cap space: 40.4M


Released


Dan Williams (4.5M)
Reggie Nelson (3M) - 1.25M RB is guaranteed due to playing time in 2016

Cap Space: 48M


FAs Re-Signed


Latavius Murray: 4Y/18M (2017 Cap Hit: 5M)
Perry Riley: 3Y/12M (2017 Cap Hit: 4M)
Daren Bates: 800k
Brynden Trawick: 1M
Denico Autry (RFA): Original round tender - 1.7M
Seth Roberts (ERFA): 690k
Gabe Holmes (ERFA): 615k
SaQwan Edwards (ERFA): 615k

Cap Space: 33.6M


Free Agency


-Abry Jones - NT - Jaguars (6'4 - 318 ; 25 YO) 3 years/13.5M (2017 Cap Hit:5M)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/brandon-mebane-3115/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/ahtyba-rubin-2335/

-TJ McDonald - SS - Rams (6'2 - 217 ; 26 YO) 4 years/24M (2017 Cap Hit:6.5M)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/george-iloka-9988/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/danorris-searcy-7819/

-Robert Woods - WR - Bills (6'0 - 190 ; 24 YO) 3 years/16.5M (2017 Cap Hit:6M)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/travis-benjamin-9913/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/rishard-matthews-10048/

-Sean Spence - LB - Titans (5'11 - 231 ; 26 YO) 3 years/10.5M (2017 Cap Hit:4M)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/vincent-rey-7589/
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/wesley-woodyard-3221/

-Kayvon Webster - CB - Broncos (5'11 - 198 ; 26 YO) 1 year/800k

Cap Space: 11.3M


I'll post the draft later.
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Not a bad offseason. I'd probably want to keep Nelson and draft his replacement than straight up release and replace. The more we do that, the less room there's going to be for Mack next year. I'd also prefer to release Austin Howard and re-sign Watson to a short term deal while drafting two new offensive tackles. I'd rather a guy like Poe>Jones - I don't want to have question marks again at nose tackle (after we thought we had none). I floated the idea of signing Woods in my own mock offseason, but I instead opted for prudence and patience with the draft/Roberts. He's a guy who would immediately fit in. I really like the possibility of Spence coming to Oakland. He graded out highly in coverage for PFF (yeah I know, PFF).

Nice job overall.
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Rich7sena wrote:
Not a bad offseason. I'd probably want to keep Nelson and draft his replacement than straight up release and replace. The more we do that, the less room there's going to be for Mack next year. I'd also prefer to release Austin Howard and re-sign Watson to a short term deal while drafting two new offensive tackles. I'd rather a guy like Poe>Jones - I don't want to have question marks again at nose tackle (after we thought we had none). I floated the idea of signing Woods in my own mock offseason, but I instead opted for prudence and patience with the draft/Roberts. He's a guy who would immediately fit in. I really like the possibility of Spence coming to Oakland. He graded out highly in coverage for PFF (yeah I know, PFF).

Nice job overall.


Thanks.

I think we need to move on from Nelson because Joseph would be better in his role. Ideally, we'd be able to find replacement at every position in the draft but that's not going to happen. With the way RM has structured contracts, there will be room for Mack. Sean Smith, Bruce Irvin and Michael Crabtree could be cut with no dead money in 2018 if we have to. I'd expect all the guys signed this season to have the same kind of contract with no signing bonus. We have a lot of flexibility that way.
I'm not going to argue between Howard and Watson because none is the answer. I choose to keep Howard since he is at least healthy most of the time but that's a stopgap and a position that has to be adressed in the draft.
Woods would be a clear upgrade over Roberts and i figured the connection with Rob Moore (WR coach in Buffalo when Woods was drafted) could play a role as well.
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Is Abry Jones really an upgrade over Dan Williams? Think I'd rather keep Williams at $4.5m but don't know much about Jones in all honesty. Like the Woods pick up.
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Dessie wrote:
Is Abry Jones really an upgrade over Dan Williams? Think I'd rather keep Williams at $4.5m but don't know much about Jones in all honesty. Like the Woods pick up.


Fine with woods, but do you really want him on 5 mil a year? Seems like he's underchieved an it too much for that much cash.

Don't want Murray for 4 more years of mediocrity either. Would much rather add a grinder in the draft and roll with richard/Washington than pay murray 4.5 per year.

Otherwise I like it quite a bit, although it would be nice if you could shed some light on jones.
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MrOaktown_56 wrote:
Dessie wrote:
Is Abry Jones really an upgrade over Dan Williams? Think I'd rather keep Williams at $4.5m but don't know much about Jones in all honesty. Like the Woods pick up.


Fine with woods, but do you really want him on 5 mil a year? Seems like he's underchieved an it too much for that much cash.

Don't want Murray for 4 more years of mediocrity either. Would much rather add a grinder in the draft and roll with richard/Washington than pay murray 4.5 per year.

Otherwise I like it quite a bit, although it would be nice if you could shed some light on jones.


Agree with this sentiment. Feel like the draft will add some DBs.


Murray is tricky. He wants to be here long haul and if we're smart, we don't commit to that. However, we have to make sure we get someone adequate to replace him. I know the counter argument is that he's nothing special, and thats fine to say, I'm just saying we need to at least get someone who can match his production.
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Silver&Black88 wrote:
MrOaktown_56 wrote:
Dessie wrote:
Is Abry Jones really an upgrade over Dan Williams? Think I'd rather keep Williams at $4.5m but don't know much about Jones in all honesty. Like the Woods pick up.


Fine with woods, but do you really want him on 5 mil a year? Seems like he's underchieved an it too much for that much cash.

Don't want Murray for 4 more years of mediocrity either. Would much rather add a grinder in the draft and roll with richard/Washington than pay murray 4.5 per year.

Otherwise I like it quite a bit, although it would be nice if you could shed some light on jones.


Agree with this sentiment. Feel like the draft will add some DBs.


Murray is tricky. He wants to be here long haul and if we're smart, we don't commit to that. However, we have to make sure we get someone adequate to replace him. I know the counter argument is that he's nothing special, and thats fine to say, I'm just saying we need to at least get someone who can match his production.


Murray, or any player, signing for 4 years doesn't mean he'll be here for the length of his contract. The way RM has structured his contracts, no one is assured to stay beyond 2 seasons. With Murray, we should look to give us the ability to get rid of the contract after year 1. That's how we structured Crabtree's contract so i guess it can get done.

Woods at 5.5M/year is fair value imo. Rishard Matthews signed for 5/Y in 2016. Their contract year production isn't too far off. Woods could potentially step into the #2 role going forward (if we move on from Crabtree in 2018).

I didn't know anything about Jones until i saw him graded surprisingly high on PFF FAs list. I watched a bit of the all22 when he was forced into the Jags starting lineup this season and he looked good. He's not limited to a NT role (although that's what i'd bring him in for). He moves very well for a big guy. He spent 4 years learning the Seattle's scheme under Bradley, which is a plus for us. He wasn't a starter until Roy Miller went down this season so the sample size in a starting role is rather small. The Jags put a 2nd round tender on him as a RFA last offseason though, i guess they already pictured him as an emerging player.
Anyway, the most likely scenario is they re-sign him.
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Mock Off-Season

Starting Cap: 46.5 m

Cuts

Dan Williams (4.5m) - just not worth the money as a 2 down run stuffer past his prime

Reggie Nelson (4.25m) - kinda same thing, he's too slow and a suspect tackler that we can replace for cheaper.

New Cap: 55.25m

Own FAs

Resign

Nate Allen (2y/6m) - a solid depth guy that you can put at either safety spot.

Menelik Watson (3y/10m) - has shown signs of promise and is home grown talent that should continue to improve.

Perry Riley (2y/4m) - good stop gap at MLB, has the experience and instincts that made a noticeable difference last year.

Jon Condo (2y/ 1.5m) - one of the best in the business

Brynden Trawick (2y/1m)

Denico Autry (3y/0.6m) - solid depth on the D-line

Stacy Mcgee (2y/3m) - good pass rushing dt

New Cap

43.5m

Let Walk

- Macolm Smith: not worth the money and has regressed a bit
-DJ Hayden: Time to move on
- Andre Holmes: hasn't really been able to get onto the field
- Matt Mcgloin: We've got Cooke
-Latavius Murray: Can probably get paid somewhere
- Mychal Rivera: 3rd TE on the roster hasn't really panned out

FREE AGENCY

Trumaine Johnson, CB - 4y/ 44m - Should be able to get for cheaper than he would have been last year. A guy that has proven himself as an above average corner with the ceiling to be a top corner. Still young. He's our big signing of the off-season. We had the right idea with Sean Smith last year, unfortunately he took an unforseen step backwards so we go back to the drawing board

Calais Campbell, DE/DT - 3y/20m - Veteran Leadership that comes in for the same kind of role that justin tuck occupied for us, but with greater impact on the field. We've got a lot of young, raw potential on the interior line and a guy like campbell that could A) come in and give us an immediate improvement on the field and B) mentor guys like edwards, ward and latham.

Sean Spence, ILB - 3y/3m - a fast LB that can play coverage and has good range. I was a huge fan of his coming out of miami and he's shown signs of promise when he's been able to get onto the field. He'd give us good depth, upside, and a situational coverage backer.

Kendall Wright, WR - 3y/9m - a guy with a ton of potential as a slot receiver that is still young with lots of upside. Could be a huge pick up for us and a weapon in the slot for Carr.

NEW CAP

21.5m (aprox)

DRAFT

Round 1 - Zach Cunningham, ILB
A true modern backer with exceptional athletic ability, sideline to sideline range, and good enough instincts to play zone as well as man. He's aggressive and moves downhill in the running game and does a great job taking on blockers. The only thing that scares me is his tackling, as he tends to rely on arm tackles and hits pretty high for the most part, but I think his athletic ability and instincts are good enough that you can coach up his tackling ability.

Round 2 - Desmond King, FS
Might be my favorite player in the draft. Instincts and ball skills are off the charts plus he's got that confidence and swagger that you look for in a playmaking DB. He's also aggressive and does not shy away from contact when coming up in the run game or closing down on a receiver. He's got all the talent in the world (I think he's a 1st round talent and probably a top 10 pick if he was above 6 foot). I see him as a potential turn over machine

Round 3 - Jordan Legget, TE
This is a great year for Tight ends and I think Legget is a big part of that. He's an absolutely massive target with plus athletic ability. You can line him up all over the field and he's going to create huge matchup problems for anyone you put on him. I've seen some jordan reed comparisons and I think it's pretty accurate. Needs to develop as a blocker.

Round 4 - Samaje Perine, RB
Just a beast of an RB that Imo is a steal in the 4th. He's got all the signs of a true bell cow RB, he's very powerfull both running guys over and dragging them. Has great balance and is tough to bring down on 1st contact. Compactly built with a low center of gravity and will just bounce off guys. Great feet, vision and elusiveness for what many would consider a bigger back. Complements the 2 backs on the roster very well with a significantly different skill set. Could be a starter for us as a rookie

DEPTH CHART

QB: Carr, Cooke
RB: Perine (r), Rishard, Washington
FB: Olawale
LT: Penn, Howard
LG: Osemele,
C: Hudson, Feliciano
RG: Gabe Jackson
RT: Watson
TE: Smith, Legget (r), Walford
WR1: Cooper, Roberts
WR2: Crabtree, Holton
WR3: Wright, Roberts

LE: Mack, Calhoun
DT: Campbell, Ward
DT: Latham, Mcgee, Ellis
RE: Edwards, Autry
LOLB: Cunningham (r), Spence
MLB: Riley, James
ROLB: Irvin, A. Smith
CB1: Jonhnson, Carrie
CB2: Amerson
CB3: Smith
FS: King (r), Carrie
SS: Joseph, Allen

Note: I'd use johnson as our slot corner to avoid keeping smith out of the slot.

**other note** this is merely an off-season i'd really like to see, not so much what I think will happen. No idea what kind of contracts the market will determine for the guys we sign and what the availability will be like in the draft
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