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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marshawn lynch wrote:
valkrei wrote:
marshawn lynch wrote:
onejayhawk wrote:
mayanfootball wrote:
First we overpay to move up.

We UNDERpaid.

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Well when you compare it to the Brown Texans deal which was similar... you spent more


We traded more pics but we also were in top 10 not at 12. So to be fair pick 10 is more valuable.


Browns should have also recieved a 5th id think.... our trade was within 70 points on trade value chart... theirs was 150 apart.


Two late first round pics hoping that next year we do similarly and a third for Mahomes is perfectly fine with me. I think with Andy and him sitting behind Alex this kid is gonna be a baller.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marshawn lynch wrote:
valkrei wrote:
marshawn lynch wrote:
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mayanfootball wrote:
First we overpay to move up.

We UNDERpaid.

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Well when you compare it to the Brown Texans deal which was similar... you spent more


We traded more pics but we also were in top 10 not at 12. So to be fair pick 10 is more valuable.


Browns should have also recieved a 5th id think.... our trade was within 70 points on trade value chart... theirs was 150 apart.

Not right. Yes, the Browns are a little short, but not 150 points. #12 - #25 = 480. 2018 1st = 420. So about 60 points. The Chiefs deal is about 65 points short. As you say, another pick, though early 4th round pick.

Another way to look at it is that a 2018 1st values as 10th pick of round 2 rather than as mid round. That makes both trades very square.

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Chiefs seem to play Houston each season now. Watson will be primed to kick our [inappropriate/removed].


lol why are you like this?


QBOTF. If he's as good as our front office think I'm totally cool with the trade.
Because I detest dumb management.
First we overpay to move up. It's classic management draft day stupidity.

Second we pick a QBOTF who can't beat good teams.

Third, we leave on the table the national champion QB who plays above his competition and excels in highly charged games and bright lights.

Fourth, to save face, if Mahomes can't cut it, management will run this QB out onto the field anyway. The result will be YEARS of heartbreak and ruined seasons. I'm too old to wait decades for recovery.

Sorry if that's too sour. But tonite, that's how I feel. Please Lord, let the logic of what's printed be wrong and Mahomes will lead KC to the promised land.


I see where you're coming from, but I think you have to come to the realization that, based on Reid and Dorsey's track record since they got here, they've nailed most of their picks and it's time to put more trust into their evaluations.

Case in point. Fisher VS Joeckel. They made the right choice despite the media anointing Joeckel as the next Tony Boseli.

Reid has passed on QB's that most Chiefs fans wanted in the past (Bridgewater, Geno Smith, failed to trade up for Lynch, etc.) and none of them have amounted to anything, which proved Reid right.

The fact that he traded up 17 spots for Mahomes makes me feel even more confident in the pick.
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This is something this franchise hasn't done in 34 years. Gotta have a little faith in the brass and know they all see something special in this kid compelling them to trade up and grab him. Between Dorsey and Reid I think we have two pretty good evaluators and an ideal situation for this kid to come in learn and reach his potential which is hopefully that elusive franchise QB we have been longing for for far too long.
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Because I detest dumb management.
First we overpay to move up. It's classic management draft day stupidity.

Second we pick a QBOTF who can't beat good teams.

Third, we leave on the table the national champion QB who plays above his competition and excels in highly charged games and bright lights.

Fourth, to save face, if Mahomes can't cut it, management will run this QB out onto the field anyway. The result will be YEARS of heartbreak and ruined seasons. I'm too old to wait decades for recovery.

Sorry if that's too sour. But tonite, that's how I feel. Please Lord, let the logic of what's printed be wrong and Mahomes will lead KC to the promised land.


1. The draft value was spot on. Moving 17 picks in the first round is expensive. And we don't have the luxury of high current or future picks. Two low firsts are only going to get you to the middle of the first. We did not overpay.

2. This will forever be horrible logic. ESPECIALLY in college, where things are so absurdly stacked in favor of certain teams. You tell Alabama they're not allowed to pass the ball, and their QB is going to have more wins against tough teams than most of the NCAA will.

3. Tee Martin, Chris Weinke, Josh Heupel, Ken Dorsey, Craig Krenzel, Matt Mauck, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Chris Leak, Matt Flynn, Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, Cam Newton, A.J. McCarron, Jameis Winston. This is every national championship winning QB since 1998, not counting those not yet drafted. Tell me how many of those we'd be lucky to have. Using a championship win as an argument is completely baseless.

4. This is true of any team, with any highly picked QB. They're always given more time than they deserve if they fail. This would be true if we took who you wanted as well.

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Chiefs seem to play Houston each season now. Watson will be primed to kick our [inappropriate/removed].


And this, is why you see posters around here questioning your fandom. This does not sound like someone thinking "Damn, I wish we had taken Watson instead." This sounds like someone rooting for the front office to fail and pay for it.
Ok , let's take
'em one at a time.
1. Well we're a net negative a first and 3rd. round pick. More importantly everyone loving this pick assumes Mahomes is a cinch franchise QB. But if not? KC is out 2 FIRST AND 1 THIRD ROUND PICKS. This is ridiculous "value" fans. Dobbs scored 50 TD's for Tennessee (30 passing, 20 running). We could've had him in round 2 or 3 WITHOUT GIVING UP all our gold into next year. Sports journalists agree with me that management "overpays" (whatever you want that to mean) to trade up for 1st. round QB's.

2. You are arguing with Bill Parcells who knows more about successful QB's than all of us.

3. Again, you argue with Parcells. Mahomes is 0-9 against major competition. No wonder you guys blow it off. Watson has intangibles that Mahomes can onlly dream of. Watson took hit after hit IN TWO CHAMPINSHIPS PLAYOFFS and kept getting up. That's a stud in my book. Houston teammates know it too.

4. Yep. This truth is why Watson was the better pick (and I thought Dobbs could have been our pick. Reid wouldn't work as hard to prepare him IMO). Watson doesn't throw wildly, doesn't have miserable footwork like Mahomes, and can stand in the pocket. Mahomes doesn't know what a pocket is. Watson will play sooner than later and make us ashamed we passed on him. Mark my words. I said it here first.

Oh, and to you guys who think I hate the Chiefs? No way. I just don't lick their boots like an all-day sucker. Look at my post prior to the pick. I stated that of the two, Watson was the better pick and I'd be unhappy if they went Mahomes. For value, Dobbs (or even another) was the pick and I had him in most, if not all, of my mock drafts


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So, how do the Chiefs know he can do that? Well, they don’t. But they did grill him at Arrowhead when Mahomes visited.

“We brought him in here and grilled him,” Reid said of Mahomes’ visit to Kansas City. “We had him here for six hours. When we got him in here we tried to bury him the best we could in order to find out. That’s the only way you can find out. That’s what’s real. We get him in here and we throw the kitchen sink at him and expect him to spit it out. When they don’t, we try to reteach it to them and spit it out again.”

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mayanfootball wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
mayanfootball wrote:
Because I detest dumb management.
First we overpay to move up. It's classic management draft day stupidity.

Second we pick a QBOTF who can't beat good teams.

Third, we leave on the table the national champion QB who plays above his competition and excels in highly charged games and bright lights.

Fourth, to save face, if Mahomes can't cut it, management will run this QB out onto the field anyway. The result will be YEARS of heartbreak and ruined seasons. I'm too old to wait decades for recovery.

Sorry if that's too sour. But tonite, that's how I feel. Please Lord, let the logic of what's printed be wrong and Mahomes will lead KC to the promised land.


1. The draft value was spot on. Moving 17 picks in the first round is expensive. And we don't have the luxury of high current or future picks. Two low firsts are only going to get you to the middle of the first. We did not overpay.

2. This will forever be horrible logic. ESPECIALLY in college, where things are so absurdly stacked in favor of certain teams. You tell Alabama they're not allowed to pass the ball, and their QB is going to have more wins against tough teams than most of the NCAA will.

3. Tee Martin, Chris Weinke, Josh Heupel, Ken Dorsey, Craig Krenzel, Matt Mauck, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Chris Leak, Matt Flynn, Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, Cam Newton, A.J. McCarron, Jameis Winston. This is every national championship winning QB since 1998, not counting those not yet drafted. Tell me how many of those we'd be lucky to have. Using a championship win as an argument is completely baseless.

4. This is true of any team, with any highly picked QB. They're always given more time than they deserve if they fail. This would be true if we took who you wanted as well.

mayanfootball wrote:
Chiefs seem to play Houston each season now. Watson will be primed to kick our [inappropriate/removed].


And this, is why you see posters around here questioning your fandom. This does not sound like someone thinking "Damn, I wish we had taken Watson instead." This sounds like someone rooting for the front office to fail and pay for it.
Ok , let's take
'em one at a time.
1. Well we're a net negative a first and 3rd. round pick. More importantly everyone loving this pick assumes Mahomes is a cinch franchise QB. But if not? KC is out 2 FIRST AND 1 THIRD ROUND PICKS. This is ridiculous "value" fans. Dobbs scored 50 TD's for Tennessee (30 passing, 20 running). We could've had him in round 2 or 3 WITHOUT GIVING UP all our gold into next year. Sports journalists agree with me that management "overpays" (whatever you want that to mean) to trade up for 1st. round QB's.

2. You are arguing with Bill Parcells who knows more about successful QB's than all of us.

3. Again, you argue with Parcells. Mahomes is 0-9 against major competition. No wonder you guys blow it off. Watson has intangibles that Mahomes can onlly dream of. Watson took hit after hit IN TWO CHAMPINSHIPS PLAYOFFS and kept getting up. That's a stud in my book. Houston teammates know it too.

4. Yep. This truth is why Watson was the better pick (and I thought Dobbs could have been our pick. Reid wouldn't work as hard to prepare him IMO). Watson doesn't throw wildly, doesn't have miserable footwork like Mahomes, and can stand in the pocket. Mahomes doesn't know what a pocket is. Watson will play sooner than later and make us ashamed we passed on him. Mark my words. I said it here first.

Oh, and to you guys who think I hate the Chiefs? No way. I just don't lick their boots like an all-day sucker. Look at my post prior to the pick. I stated that of the two, Watson was the better pick and I'd be unhappy if they went Mahomes. For value, Dobbs (or even another) was the pick and I had him in most, if not all, of my mock drafts


KC had him as the #1 Qb, so it doesnt matter and lets be honest our 2 first are almost like two early 2nd round picks. We did NOT break the bank here.

We still have a ton of picks, I could see us drafting Dobbs also in the 4th-5th round.

But Parcels didn't hit all his draft picks so please, lets not act like one analyst or coach knows who will be great and who will not. At least with Mahommes there are a lot of QB guys out there that think ceiling wise Mahommes is the best QB in this draft. Lets hope they are right.

Also who were the 3 teams that really wanted Mahommes? Houston? Maybe, Cardinals and the saints? Stealers?
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mayanfootball wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
mayanfootball wrote:
Because I detest dumb management.
First we overpay to move up. It's classic management draft day stupidity.

Second we pick a QBOTF who can't beat good teams.

Third, we leave on the table the national champion QB who plays above his competition and excels in highly charged games and bright lights.

Fourth, to save face, if Mahomes can't cut it, management will run this QB out onto the field anyway. The result will be YEARS of heartbreak and ruined seasons. I'm too old to wait decades for recovery.

Sorry if that's too sour. But tonite, that's how I feel. Please Lord, let the logic of what's printed be wrong and Mahomes will lead KC to the promised land.


1. The draft value was spot on. Moving 17 picks in the first round is expensive. And we don't have the luxury of high current or future picks. Two low firsts are only going to get you to the middle of the first. We did not overpay.

2. This will forever be horrible logic. ESPECIALLY in college, where things are so absurdly stacked in favor of certain teams. You tell Alabama they're not allowed to pass the ball, and their QB is going to have more wins against tough teams than most of the NCAA will.

3. Tee Martin, Chris Weinke, Josh Heupel, Ken Dorsey, Craig Krenzel, Matt Mauck, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Chris Leak, Matt Flynn, Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, Cam Newton, A.J. McCarron, Jameis Winston. This is every national championship winning QB since 1998, not counting those not yet drafted. Tell me how many of those we'd be lucky to have. Using a championship win as an argument is completely baseless.

4. This is true of any team, with any highly picked QB. They're always given more time than they deserve if they fail. This would be true if we took who you wanted as well.

mayanfootball wrote:
Chiefs seem to play Houston each season now. Watson will be primed to kick our [inappropriate/removed].


And this, is why you see posters around here questioning your fandom. This does not sound like someone thinking "Damn, I wish we had taken Watson instead." This sounds like someone rooting for the front office to fail and pay for it.
Ok , let's take
'em one at a time.
1. Well we're a net negative a first and 3rd. round pick. More importantly everyone loving this pick assumes Mahomes is a cinch franchise QB. But if not? KC is out 2 FIRST AND 1 THIRD ROUND PICKS. This is ridiculous "value" fans. Dobbs scored 50 TD's for Tennessee (30 passing, 20 running). We could've had him in round 2 or 3 WITHOUT GIVING UP all our gold into next year. Sports journalists agree with me that management "overpays" (whatever you want that to mean) to trade up for 1st. round QB's.

2. You are arguing with Bill Parcells who knows more about successful QB's than all of us.

3. Again, you argue with Parcells. Mahomes is 0-9 against major competition. No wonder you guys blow it off. Watson has intangibles that Mahomes can onlly dream of. Watson took hit after hit IN TWO CHAMPINSHIPS PLAYOFFS and kept getting up. That's a stud in my book. Houston teammates know it too.

4. Yep. This truth is why Watson was the better pick (and I thought Dobbs could have been our pick. Reid wouldn't work as hard to prepare him IMO). Watson doesn't throw wildly, doesn't have miserable footwork like Mahomes, and can stand in the pocket. Mahomes doesn't know what a pocket is. Watson will play sooner than later and make us ashamed we passed on him. Mark my words. I said it here first.

Oh, and to you guys who think I hate the Chiefs? No way. I just don't lick their boots like an all-day sucker. Look at my post prior to the pick. I stated that of the two, Watson was the better pick and I'd be unhappy if they went Mahomes. For value, Dobbs (or even another) was the pick and I had him in most, if not all, of my mock drafts


Please enlighten me with all the great QB's Bill Parcells has drafted. I'll wait.

Our front office knows what it's doing. We don't have bumbling idiots like Pioli running the ship.
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It looks like the Saints, Cardinals and Seahawks were interested in Mahomes. I would add Houston and Cleveland to the list.

The fact that Sean Payton, Andy Reid and Bruce Arians see something in Mahomes is enough for me.
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But Parcels didn't hit all his draft picks so please, lets not act like one analyst or coach knows who will be great and who will not.
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Please enlighten me with all the great QB's Bill Parcells has drafted. I'll wait.

LOL, I love it. So your comeback is to dis Parcells? He's only one of the greatest minds in football. But hey, I'll let you go for it. Laughing
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Ricky Stanzi was a Parcel dream, so please just stop. Andy Reid as HC - McNabb, Kolb, Feeley, Vick, Foles, Smith, and Daniels. All QBs that only with Reid were elevated 2-3 levels above what others got. Mayan, you can dislike Reid's play calling, his general offense, and this pick, but all fly in the face of history which says Reid is a top offense coach and developer of QBs, that probably only 2 guys in my life time I can think of even come close to matching.

And to say Mahomes doesn't know what a pocket is, is either a lie or from a lack of actually watching him play - http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/3/24/15022108/know-your-draft-crush-patrick-mahomes
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Watup peoples?! Long time, no type.

In short, there are only two players I'm in love with from this class. We have already drafted one of them. The other is Tyus Bowser.

I'm just enjoying the ride this year without hoping for anything. I've found it to be more enjoyable that way.
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Never said he wasn't. I think maybe he's old and peaked as a coach and his ability to playcall now is questionable, but I won't take away what he's already accomplished. I never have tried. As a QB developer - same thing. I never said he wasn't. So what's the point of telling me this?
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Watup peoples?! Long time, no type.

In short, there are only two players I'm in love with from this class. We have already drafted one of them. The other is Tyus Bowser.

I'm just enjoying the ride this year without hoping for anything. I've found it to be more enjoyable that way.


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Lol, the bickering over Mah Homie is funny to me.

I'm over here all like...idgaf, we finally drafted a QB in the first round!!!! Dancing
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