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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.

But these linemen aren't low grade, they aren't undrafted. They have potential, they need a good coach to guide them. Britt is only in his 2nd year and he's doing good, Ifedi, and Fant are rookies. Gilliam is the only veteran here, and Cable hasn't done much to help the team.


Well, SEA has eight active OL and four of em were undrafted players, so I could have simply stopped reading right there.
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This is disappointing.

Yup. This may be the one instance where I can admit to wanting to see a division rival succeed (at least to the point of becoming "competitive" again). A reinvigorated 49ers team means a much better chance for a rekindled Niners/Rams (SF/LA) rivalry which will drive popularity and put butts in seats (and create better atmosphere) for the Rams.

For some fans they don't get really invested until there's an enemy to hate.


Well, I'm disappointed because I thought McDaniels would flop in SF. Wink
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stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.

But these linemen aren't low grade, they aren't undrafted. They have potential, they need a good coach to guide them. Britt is only in his 2nd year and he's doing good, Ifedi, and Fant are rookies. Gilliam is the only veteran here, and Cable hasn't done much to help the team.


Well, SEA has eight active OL and four of em were undrafted players, so I could have simply stopped reading right there.


I actually think Cable is a great teacher of OLs. But I also think his personnel evaluations are very questionable. It seems like he prefers really raw players that he can coach up. Which would be easier to justify if Seattle had established starters and time to coach those guys up on the bench.
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stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.


And when the Falcons run the same stunts over and over again and his guys are still clueless, that's not in any way a reflection of him?

But I guess whenever you get a chance to hire a guy that gets no results and punches women, you have to do it
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stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.


And when the Falcons run the same stunts over and over again and his guys are still clueless, that's not in any way a reflection of him?

But I guess whenever you get a chance to hire a guy that gets no results and punches women, you have to do it


Depends. A failure to adjust out of awareness or egotism would be a failure on the positional coach/offensive play caller. A failure to combat those types of draw ups because your players aren't talented or experienced enough to recognize and counteract them physically would be an issue entirely separate from that. It's no different than any other evaluation of a down performance. Is Brock Owsweiler sailing balls all over the place a reflection of a poor coaching staff or a poor player? It's rarely as cut as dry as we make it out to be, nor is it anywhere near as extreme.

As I've made no recommendation of Cable as either a coach or a person, your comment regarding that domestic dispute to me is highly inappropriate, unless you're just making a general point.
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stchamp98 wrote:
ninerfanwheelz wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.


And when the Falcons run the same stunts over and over again and his guys are still clueless, that's not in any way a reflection of him?

But I guess whenever you get a chance to hire a guy that gets no results and punches women, you have to do it


Depends. A failure to adjust out of awareness or egotism would be a failure on the positional coach/offensive play caller. A failure to combat those types of draw ups because your players aren't talented or experienced enough to recognize and counteract them physically would be an issue entirely separate from that. It's no different than any other evaluation of a down performance. Is Brock Owsweiler sailing balls all over the place a reflection of a poor coaching staff or a poor player? It's rarely as cut as dry as we make it out to be, nor is it anywhere near as extreme.

As I've made no recommendation of Cable as either a coach or a person, your comment regarding that domestic dispute to me is highly inappropriate, unless you're just making a general point.


It was a general point and apologies if it came across as a shot at you. As for Cable, we obviously will have to agree to disagree. I think the fact that Jed York is the only person who thought he was deserving of an interview is worth noting
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stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.

But these linemen aren't low grade, they aren't undrafted. They have potential, they need a good coach to guide them. Britt is only in his 2nd year and he's doing good, Ifedi, and Fant are rookies. Gilliam is the only veteran here, and Cable hasn't done much to help the team.


Well, SEA has eight active OL and four of em were undrafted players, so I could have simply stopped reading right there.
Hard to imagine he hasn't had some say in both FAs we brought in this year on the OL as well as the Ifedi, Britt, and Glow picks
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ninerfanwheelz wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
ninerfanwheelz wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.


And when the Falcons run the same stunts over and over again and his guys are still clueless, that's not in any way a reflection of him?

But I guess whenever you get a chance to hire a guy that gets no results and punches women, you have to do it


Depends. A failure to adjust out of awareness or egotism would be a failure on the positional coach/offensive play caller. A failure to combat those types of draw ups because your players aren't talented or experienced enough to recognize and counteract them physically would be an issue entirely separate from that. It's no different than any other evaluation of a down performance. Is Brock Owsweiler sailing balls all over the place a reflection of a poor coaching staff or a poor player? It's rarely as cut as dry as we make it out to be, nor is it anywhere near as extreme.

As I've made no recommendation of Cable as either a coach or a person, your comment regarding that domestic dispute to me is highly inappropriate, unless you're just making a general point.


It was a general point and apologies if it came across as a shot at you. As for Cable, we obviously will have to agree to disagree. I think the fact that Jed York is the only person who thought he was deserving of an interview is worth noting


There isn't anything to agree or disagree about when it comes to Tom Cable specifically, as I don't have an opinion on the man, positive or negative. I'm nothing more than a guy who doesn't understand the way fans evaluate coaches in this league.

I know who I would hire if I were Jed York and it's not Cable, for whatever it is worth.
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Tatupu_64 wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
Ryder Williams wrote:
I hope 49ers pick Tom Cable, he is of no help to Seahawks as a O line coach.


You can't ask a decent chef to make culinary magic with low-grade ingredients. No real idea as to why posters try to judge assistants on their ability to do this, escapes me.

But these linemen aren't low grade, they aren't undrafted. They have potential, they need a good coach to guide them. Britt is only in his 2nd year and he's doing good, Ifedi, and Fant are rookies. Gilliam is the only veteran here, and Cable hasn't done much to help the team.


Well, SEA has eight active OL and four of em were undrafted players, so I could have simply stopped reading right there.
Hard to imagine he hasn't had some say in both FAs we brought in this year on the OL as well as the Ifedi, Britt, and Glow picks


If true, it certainly would be an area to judge him on but I've been around here a long, long time, I know what assumptions get you. I'm not interested in going down that road again.
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How about you hire a gm first and let him pick his hc, cuz, you know, theyre going to work together.....instead of trying to play match maker.....
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How about you hire a gm first and let him pick his hc, cuz, you know, theyre going to work together.....instead of trying to play match maker.....


Not a necessity, nor is it predictive of any type of organizational success. SEA hired Pete Carroll before John Schneider, KC hired Andy Reid before John Dorsey. Those are simply two recent examples. There's no right or wrong way to hire people timeline wise.
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How about you hire a gm first and let him pick his hc, cuz, you know, theyre going to work together.....instead of trying to play match maker.....


Tim Kawakami was just asked that very question on Twitter, his response:

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It makes too much sense. Coaching candidates are sexier and Jed probably got caught up in that with his national buddies.


Now, hiring the HC first isn't automatically a bad idea. But when it's done for the reasons Jed York is doing it for, it certainly is a cause for concern. But Jed York is as incompetent as they come, so this is par for the course
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stchamp98 wrote:
CrashMan510 wrote:
How about you hire a gm first and let him pick his hc, cuz, you know, theyre going to work together.....instead of trying to play match maker.....


Not a necessity, nor is it predictive of any type of organizational success. SEA hired Pete Carroll before John Schneider, KC hired Andy Reid before John Dorsey. Those are simply two recent examples. There's no right or wrong way to hire people timeline wise.


It might not be, but if the HC is reporting to the GM as is traditional than it generally makes good business sense to do it that way. It also makes the hiring process that much easier. I don't know about you, but I'd be a lot more wary taking a job if I didn't know who it reported to.
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BLick12 wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
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How about you hire a gm first and let him pick his hc, cuz, you know, theyre going to work together.....instead of trying to play match maker.....


Not a necessity, nor is it predictive of any type of organizational success. SEA hired Pete Carroll before John Schneider, KC hired Andy Reid before John Dorsey. Those are simply two recent examples. There's no right or wrong way to hire people timeline wise.


It might not be, but if the HC is reporting to the GM as is traditional than it generally makes good business sense to do it that way. It also makes the hiring process that much easier. I don't know about you, but I'd be a lot more wary taking a job if I didn't know who it reported to.


I would say that's what I would prefer but again, it's not predictive of short or long term success. There's what, a hundred or so examples of HCs hired by GMs who developed toxic, non-working relationships and ended up losing games and their jobs? There's no exact formula for getting this thing right in terms of timeline or who gets hired first, it's all about types of people you hire, the strength of the organization and the level of healthy, professional communication. Whether the Yorks can manage that is a separate question altogether.
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CrashMan510 wrote:
How about you hire a gm first and let him pick his hc, cuz, you know, theyre going to work together.....instead of trying to play match maker.....


Schefter said if Shanahan is the next HC as he is the clear favorite, he will have input on who the next GM will be.

Some other reports are linking him and Brian Gutekunst together.
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