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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think if this has been brought up in the 20+ pages of this thread, but does anyone else think a move to a smaller, but untapped market like Portland or San Antonio would have been better?

I would have liked to see the Chargers move out of the state at into one of those cities where the population has a conditioned sports fanbase but have imported other NFL teams as theirs. The franchise could also take an real opportunity for a complete rebrand like the Ravens or Titans.

With an owner other than Spanos maybe. Dean, A.G., and John are the Three Stooges of Business Sense. Maybe if the patriarch, Alex, weren't 90 and was still involved - because he actually knew what he was doing.

That said, whether people liked it or not, the NFL was going to put two teams in LA because the market has a population the size of Florida. And given the opportunity, they'll likely try to get back to 4 teams in the state of California at some point in the next 10-15 years, because California has the population and economy of a medium-sized country.

It's going to be interesting to see how things shake out, because the likelihood is that the Rams are going to wreck the Chargers in terms of draw and popularity in the market, as the Spanii really don't understand the market beyond the stereotypes that we've seen repeated over and over again in threads on this site and others every time the LA market is brought up. And if, in 10 years (or possibly even as little as 5 after having moved into the new stadium in Inglewood) the league doesn't view the Spanii as doing enough to achieve the league's biggest goal (i.e. to bilk every possible nickel and dime possible), they could start trying to strong-arm them into selling to an owner who knows what they're doing (or at least has the kind of wealth/liquidity to try).

I'd heard a report on the radio earlier this week that the Busch family had expressed an interest in buying the Jets. If that doesn't materialize and the leagues decides they want the Buschs as part of their fold, let's face it, there's been little loyalty shown to Spanos in the past - he/they could be easily deemed expendable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Heard a bunch of San Diego and LA based moving companies are boycotting the Chargers


https://wewontmoveyouchargers.com/

List of the SD and LA moving companies.




LOL. As many moving companies won't take the chargers money, there's an equal amount that will gladly get paid
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NFL is reportedly upset with Chargers, wants them to move back to San Diego


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-is-reportedly-upset-with-chargers-wants-them-to-move-back-to-san-diego/
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NFL is reportedly upset with Chargers, wants them to move back to San Diego


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-is-reportedly-upset-with-chargers-wants-them-to-move-back-to-san-diego/


I thought a team needed league permission to do things like this?
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TXsteeler wrote:
DigInBoys wrote:
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NFL is reportedly upset with Chargers, wants them to move back to San Diego


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-is-reportedly-upset-with-chargers-wants-them-to-move-back-to-san-diego/


I thought a team needed league permission to do things like this?


3/4 vote right?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Failed owners moving teams instead of selling up to a better owner. Just another typical year in the farcical American 'franchise' system where fans are bought and sold. The NFL has an arrogance which will bite them in the [inappropriate/removed] some day.
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This is what that logo reminds me of

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the problem.

You have the Rams who are struggling to gain a foothold in LA because they aren't all that great.

You have San Diego who really doesn't have a history there and isn't that great.

You have the Raiders who are one of the younger and better teams in the AFC that have a real fanbase in LA about to move 3 hours away to hot vacation spot for citizens in LA.

Anybody see the problem with this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lancerman wrote:
Here's the problem.

You have the Rams who are struggling to gain a foothold in LA because they aren't all that great.

You have San Diego who really doesn't have a history there and isn't that great.

You have the Raiders who are one of the younger and better teams in the AFC that have a real fanbase in LA about to move 3 hours away to hot vacation spot for citizens in LA.

Anybody see the problem with this?


The Raiders to LA made too much sense for the NFL to be honest. But of course the Rams had a better presentation sooooo....
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RaidersAreOne wrote:
lancerman wrote:
Here's the problem.

You have the Rams who are struggling to gain a foothold in LA because they aren't all that great.

You have San Diego who really doesn't have a history there and isn't that great.

You have the Raiders who are one of the younger and better teams in the AFC that have a real fanbase in LA about to move 3 hours away to hot vacation spot for citizens in LA.

Anybody see the problem with this?


The Raiders to LA made too much sense for the NFL to be honest. But of course the Rams had a better presentation sooooo....


The Rams had Kroenke throwing money around. Raiders didn't get to go back to LA as the second team because Kroenke didn't want the competition for fans. He's stacked his deck knowing Spanos is a moron and once Rivers retires the Chargers will be back to trotting out studs like billy joe tollivar to play QB.
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The NFL always wanted two teams in SoCal, but they didn't want to cannibalize NoCal to do it. That's one of the reasons why the Raiders- to- LA wasn't the top choice of the owners. ( there were other reasons)

Jim Steeg, former NFL VP and former Chargers COO commented on a radio show that the NFL plan was to have both the AFC and the NFC represented in NoCal and in SoCal, but that they weren't married to the idea of having both SoCal teams located in LA

The original plans were for 49ers/Raiders in NoCal and Rams/Chargers to cover SoCal.
NFL owners would have been fine with Chargers in San Diego in a new facility, but the Spanos family screwed the pooch on that option

Now the NFL is left with 1 team in NoCal and really (3) teams clustered around the SoCal market. That wasn't the preferred League plan.
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Shanedorf wrote:
The NFL always wanted two teams in SoCal, but they didn't want to cannibalize NoCal to do it. That's one of the reasons why the Raiders- to- LA wasn't the top choice of the owners. ( there were other reasons)

Jim Steeg, former NFL VP and former Chargers COO commented on a radio show that the NFL plan was to have both the AFC and the NFC represented in NoCal and in SoCal, but that they weren't married to the idea of having both SoCal teams located in LA

The original plans were for 49ers/Raiders in NoCal and Rams/Chargers to cover SoCal.
NFL owners would have been fine with Chargers in San Diego in a new facility, but the Spanos family screwed the pooch on that option

Now the NFL is left with 1 team in NoCal and really (3) teams clustered around the SoCal market. That wasn't the preferred League plan.

Someone finally gets it!

And I know this will now evoke people whining that California doesn't need or deserve three teams much less four, when you've got the largest population in the country (nearly double the population of two of the states that each have 2 teams apiece combined) and an economy that's generally talked about in comparison to other countries rather than other states, the league is absolutely going to try and maximize that asset.

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, had Davis partnered up in Santa Clara with the Niners, this whole thing probably unfolds much differently. For one, Spanos doesn't have the partner to even get with to propose the Carson project. That might have slowed Kroenke's procedure of moving the Rams, but it's fairly clear it was his intent all along to do so, and with him offering to self-fund, the league wasn't going to pay much mind to Spanos and (presumably) Davis griping about imposition on their markets, as neither of them really holds much sway with the inner circle of owners that tend to dictate what gets done.
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RaidersAreOne wrote:
lancerman wrote:
Here's the problem.

You have the Rams who are struggling to gain a foothold in LA because they aren't all that great.

You have San Diego who really doesn't have a history there and isn't that great.

You have the Raiders who are one of the younger and better teams in the AFC that have a real fanbase in LA about to move 3 hours away to hot vacation spot for citizens in LA.

Anybody see the problem with this?


The Raiders to LA made too much sense for the NFL to be honest. But of course the Rams had a better presentation sooooo....


Well, that and 49 years of history in Los Angeles.
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Non-Issue wrote:
RaidersAreOne wrote:
lancerman wrote:
Here's the problem.

You have the Rams who are struggling to gain a foothold in LA because they aren't all that great.

You have San Diego who really doesn't have a history there and isn't that great.

You have the Raiders who are one of the younger and better teams in the AFC that have a real fanbase in LA about to move 3 hours away to hot vacation spot for citizens in LA.

Anybody see the problem with this?


The Raiders to LA made too much sense for the NFL to be honest. But of course the Rams had a better presentation sooooo....


Well, that and 49 years of history in Los Angeles.


Technically it's 35. They played in Anaheim from 80-94'.
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Malik wrote:
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NFL is reportedly upset with Chargers, wants them to move back to San Diego


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-is-reportedly-upset-with-chargers-wants-them-to-move-back-to-san-diego/


I thought a team needed league permission to do things like this?


3/4 vote right?


Yes.

How the article is framed, it makes it seem as if there is a possibility of Spanos not getting enough votes to move the team.
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