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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m haynes wrote:
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McCaffrey is a legit 3 down back that can run inside and outside AND could probably play WR (so smooth running routes and catching).

Basically everything BB could ever want. I see the connection, I just think he'll be taken before we have the chance (not expecting us to use our 1st on a RB)
He absolutely killed it at the combine. IMO he will go before Cook. His catching ability off the charts.

He is a every down back, a star in our offense. After the combine there is no chance he makes it to 32.


And again I am not sure he is on our radar anyway. We have much much greater needs then yet another pass catching RB. We need one maybe two DEs, LB, TE, OT, Maybe a safety or CB before we consider a RB.

I would consider a guy like DOnta Foreman in RD 3 or 4
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http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/3/14809332/christian-mccaffrey-nfl-combine-results-draft-stanford

Combine wrap up.
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m haynes wrote:
Tommy5Rings wrote:
McCaffrey is a legit 3 down back that can run inside and outside AND could probably play WR (so smooth running routes and catching).

Basically everything BB could ever want. I see the connection, I just think he'll be taken before we have the chance (not expecting us to use our 1st on a RB)
He absolutely killed it at the combine. IMO he will go before Cook. His catching ability off the charts.

He is a every down back, a star in our offense. After the combine there is no chance he makes it to 32.


And again I am not sure he is on our radar anyway. We have much much greater needs then yet another pass catching RB. We need one maybe two DEs, LB, TE, OT, Maybe a safety or CB before we consider a RB.

I agree except the pass catching comment he is a complete back for the Patriots offense. A Marshall Faulk was a complete back. Now if the Seahawks draft him he a 3rd down back.
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McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back
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McCaffrey's upside is Reggie Bush or CJ Spiller IMO. Similar skillset and question marks.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/
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m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
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Try your luck in the draft

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mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
Your opinion, I disagree.
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m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
Your opinion, I disagree.


It's not an opinion. There are literally dozens of college feature backs who get drafted or signed as undrafted FA every year who fail to make rosters or are part time players. Kevin Faulk was an every down back in college. So was Shane Vereen. Darren Sproles had over 750 carries in 3 years as a starter. Ameer Abdullah was top 15 in carries during his career.

There aren't many every down backs in today's NFL. There are even fewer, if any, good ones who lack either elite balance/power and vision. You need to have either vision and explosiveness/agility or power and speed.

If you can give an example of an every down starter in the pros who doesn't have high end vision or power/vision, I'd be very surprised.


What guys do at college is largely irrelevant to how they project as pros. You have to look at the skill set more than the role or production. Tyler Gaffney had 330 carries for Stanford in 2013. He, clearly, lacks starting RB tools. Bobby Rainey had over 700 carries his final 2 years in school and was never considered to have every down tools.
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
Your opinion, I disagree.


It's not an opinion. There are literally dozens of college feature backs who get drafted or signed as undrafted FA every year who fail to make rosters or are part time players. Kevin Faulk was an every down back in college. So was Shane Vereen. Darren Sproles had over 750 carries in 3 years as a starter. Ameer Abdullah was top 15 in carries during his career.

There aren't many every down backs in today's NFL. There are even fewer, if any, good ones who lack either elite balance/power and vision. You need to have either vision and explosiveness/agility or power and speed.

If you can give an example of an every down starter in the pros who doesn't have high end vision or power/vision, I'd be very surprised.


What guys do at college is largely irrelevant to how they project as pros. You have to look at the skill set more than the role or production. Tyler Gaffney had 330 carries for Stanford in 2013. He, clearly, lacks starting RB tools. Bobby Rainey had over 700 carries his final 2 years in school and was never considered to have every down tools.
Your opinion, I disagree.

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Tiki Barber 5-10 205
Thurman Thomas 5 10 206
Marcus Allen 6.2 210
doug martin 59 223
LeSean McCoy 5.11 211
Lamar Miller 5.11 212
C. J. Anderson 5.8 224
Tevin Coleman 61 205
Devonta Freeman 5.9 209
Javorius Allen 6.1 215
Duke Johnson 5.9 210
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Christian McCaffrey , 6ft 200lbs, that just blew up the combine and has all those rushing yards can be a every down back.
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m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
Your opinion, I disagree.


It's not an opinion. There are literally dozens of college feature backs who get drafted or signed as undrafted FA every year who fail to make rosters or are part time players. Kevin Faulk was an every down back in college. So was Shane Vereen. Darren Sproles had over 750 carries in 3 years as a starter. Ameer Abdullah was top 15 in carries during his career.

There aren't many every down backs in today's NFL. There are even fewer, if any, good ones who lack either elite balance/power and vision. You need to have either vision and explosiveness/agility or power and speed.

If you can give an example of an every down starter in the pros who doesn't have high end vision or power/vision, I'd be very surprised.


What guys do at college is largely irrelevant to how they project as pros. You have to look at the skill set more than the role or production. Tyler Gaffney had 330 carries for Stanford in 2013. He, clearly, lacks starting RB tools. Bobby Rainey had over 700 carries his final 2 years in school and was never considered to have every down tools.
Your opinion, I disagree.

emmitt smith 5'9 215
walter payton 5'10 200
Jamaal Charles 5 11 199
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 5 11 215
Tiki Barber 5-10 205
Thurman Thomas 5 10 206
Marcus Allen 6.2 210
doug martin 59 223
LeSean McCoy 5.11 211
Lamar Miller 5.11 212
C. J. Anderson 5.8 224
Tevin Coleman 61 205
Devonta Freeman 5.9 209
Javorius Allen 6.1 215
Duke Johnson 5.9 210
Theo Riddick 5.9 201
Melvin Gordon 6.1 207
Frank Gore 5.9 216

Christian McCaffrey , 6ft 200lbs, that just blew up the combine and has all those rushing yards can be a every down back.


It's not like Stanford plays a tough schedule in a tough conference there is always a lot to consider. I remember all the hype about Reggie Bush how great he was going to be and myself and a few others on my old board didn't see it that way. He reminds me of that. I think at best he will be a capable back in the NFL
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MoJo63 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
Your opinion, I disagree.


It's not an opinion. There are literally dozens of college feature backs who get drafted or signed as undrafted FA every year who fail to make rosters or are part time players. Kevin Faulk was an every down back in college. So was Shane Vereen. Darren Sproles had over 750 carries in 3 years as a starter. Ameer Abdullah was top 15 in carries during his career.

There aren't many every down backs in today's NFL. There are even fewer, if any, good ones who lack either elite balance/power and vision. You need to have either vision and explosiveness/agility or power and speed.

If you can give an example of an every down starter in the pros who doesn't have high end vision or power/vision, I'd be very surprised.


What guys do at college is largely irrelevant to how they project as pros. You have to look at the skill set more than the role or production. Tyler Gaffney had 330 carries for Stanford in 2013. He, clearly, lacks starting RB tools. Bobby Rainey had over 700 carries his final 2 years in school and was never considered to have every down tools.
Your opinion, I disagree.

emmitt smith 5'9 215
walter payton 5'10 200
Jamaal Charles 5 11 199
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 5 11 215
Tiki Barber 5-10 205
Thurman Thomas 5 10 206
Marcus Allen 6.2 210
doug martin 59 223
LeSean McCoy 5.11 211
Lamar Miller 5.11 212
C. J. Anderson 5.8 224
Tevin Coleman 61 205
Devonta Freeman 5.9 209
Javorius Allen 6.1 215
Duke Johnson 5.9 210
Theo Riddick 5.9 201
Melvin Gordon 6.1 207
Frank Gore 5.9 216

Christian McCaffrey , 6ft 200lbs, that just blew up the combine and has all those rushing yards can be a every down back.


It's not like Stanford plays a tough schedule in a tough conference there is always a lot to consider. I remember all the hype about Reggie Bush how great he was going to be and myself and a few others on my old board didn't see it that way. He reminds me of that. I think at best he will be a capable back in the NFL
There are thousand reason he can/can't. BB is not stupid, he will make changes. CM can run at any time between the tackles or flank out to WR, as a defensive coordinator, that has to be a nightmare. You can set up in a 5 wide and change to a between tackle play without switching personal. There are many ways you can use him as your full time back. The Pats can run a full play book without changes. The Pats are fast on offense. How fast would they be if Brady calls the plays and they have a player like CM that can run and catch. It like rolling Blount and White into one player.
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m haynes wrote:
MoJo63 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
m haynes wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
McCaffrey's upside as a feature back depends on how his vision translates to the NFL. He's not a guy that breaks tackles all that well. He can get through some arm tackles and is elusive but between the tackles, I'm skeptical of him as an every down player.

He should be successful in the NFL but I'm not buying him as a 250 carry a year feature back


I have no concern that he a every back down. He had 600 rushing attempts in college the last two years. His college numbers IMO tell the story.
John Elway considers him a complete back.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/28/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-a-perfect-fit-with-patriots/

http://milehighsports.com/denver-broncos-contingent-meets-christian-mccaffrey/


Being an every down guy in college has nothing to do with having the skills to be an every down guy in the pros.
Your opinion, I disagree.


It's not an opinion. There are literally dozens of college feature backs who get drafted or signed as undrafted FA every year who fail to make rosters or are part time players. Kevin Faulk was an every down back in college. So was Shane Vereen. Darren Sproles had over 750 carries in 3 years as a starter. Ameer Abdullah was top 15 in carries during his career.

There aren't many every down backs in today's NFL. There are even fewer, if any, good ones who lack either elite balance/power and vision. You need to have either vision and explosiveness/agility or power and speed.

If you can give an example of an every down starter in the pros who doesn't have high end vision or power/vision, I'd be very surprised.


What guys do at college is largely irrelevant to how they project as pros. You have to look at the skill set more than the role or production. Tyler Gaffney had 330 carries for Stanford in 2013. He, clearly, lacks starting RB tools. Bobby Rainey had over 700 carries his final 2 years in school and was never considered to have every down tools.
Your opinion, I disagree.

emmitt smith 5'9 215
walter payton 5'10 200
Jamaal Charles 5 11 199
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 5 11 215
Tiki Barber 5-10 205
Thurman Thomas 5 10 206
Marcus Allen 6.2 210
doug martin 59 223
LeSean McCoy 5.11 211
Lamar Miller 5.11 212
C. J. Anderson 5.8 224
Tevin Coleman 61 205
Devonta Freeman 5.9 209
Javorius Allen 6.1 215
Duke Johnson 5.9 210
Theo Riddick 5.9 201
Melvin Gordon 6.1 207
Frank Gore 5.9 216

Christian McCaffrey , 6ft 200lbs, that just blew up the combine and has all those rushing yards can be a every down back.


It's not like Stanford plays a tough schedule in a tough conference there is always a lot to consider. I remember all the hype about Reggie Bush how great he was going to be and myself and a few others on my old board didn't see it that way. He reminds me of that. I think at best he will be a capable back in the NFL
There are thousand reason he can/can't. BB is not stupid, he will make changes. CM can run at any time between the tackles or flank out to WR, as a defensive coordinator, that has to be a nightmare. You can set up in a 5 wide and change to a between tackle play without switching personal. There are many ways you can use him as your full time back. The Pats can run a full play book without changes. The Pats are fast on offense. How fast would they be if Brady calls the plays and they have a player like CM that can run and catch. It like rolling Blount and White into one player.


Okay get past the whole he can run anytime between the tackles that simply is not the truth and damn sure not at an NFL level. And again no way the Pats (IMO) take a RB that early the likes of which they already have when there are glaring needs at other positions. You like him we get it, but the need is not there.
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6.57 3 cone for McCaffrey. If he's on the board at 32 I think he might be the pick. I'd prefer Kareem Hunt in the 2/3rd round, but wouldn't hate the pick
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