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Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.
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Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...
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TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need
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johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I can't see us taking a S after paying both Iloka and Williams last year. But then again, it wouldn't shock me if we did
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johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing
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TheVillain112 wrote:
johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing


No matter who we chose that may be the case with this coaching staff
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ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing


No matter who we chose that may be the case with this coaching staff

Going down the list of positions, there are only a few i think wouldn't see playing time right away. QB, OL (depending on the position and who is resigned in FA), CB. Everywhere else (RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, S) they would at least be worked in, even if they don't start.
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theJ wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing


No matter who we chose that may be the case with this coaching staff

Going down the list of positions, there are only a few i think wouldn't see playing time right away. QB, OL (depending on the position and who is resigned in FA), CB. Everywhere else (RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, S) they would at least be worked in, even if they don't start.


You're probably right. But at safety we have two solid backups to go along with our starters. Granted none of them are "Ed Reed" who Hooker is getting some comparisons to but at the same time, I really like our safeties.

Iloka and Williams looked better towards the end of the season after they got time to gel. Deron Smith and Fejedelem I'm fans of as well. Especially Fejedelem, would love to see him get more time...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theJ wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing


No matter who we chose that may be the case with this coaching staff

Going down the list of positions, there are only a few i think wouldn't see playing time right away. QB, OL (depending on the position and who is resigned in FA), CB. Everywhere else (RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, S) they would at least be worked in, even if they don't start.


I don't know. I doubt a drafted RB sees the field behind Hill and Gio (and Rex if they work it out).

With Billings and Hardison coming back, I doubt a DT would see much time.

TE? No....

A top safety could jump the depth chart, but anyone taken on day 3 has to hurdle Iloka, Williams, Smith and Fegedelum.

Honestly, the only positions I think could see significant time are LB, RDE and WR2 (if we get a tall, rangy burner). And obviously a kicker, if we break habit and go for one in the draft instead of a veteran FA.
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ochocinco4pres wrote:
Lap was on the radio yesterday and had some interesting thoughts:

- He says no way we resign both Whit and Zeitler, thinks Whit is the one resigned

- Said we were offered a 2 and 4 for McCarron last year, but wanted a 1 and 4.

- Thinks we bring Peko back

- Wants a rush guy at 9, if not says take a cover guy


If it really comes down to the decision between either Whitworth or Zeitler, I want Zeitler. Whitworth may be the better player, but building for the future is more important. I honestly see no possible way Whitworth will leave.

Getting a 2nd and a 4th for McCarron is as good as it gets. There's no way any team will offer a 1st for him. And after seeing what happened to the Cowboys with Romo and Prescott, I'd rather keep McCarron around anyway.
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INbengalfan wrote:
theJ wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing


No matter who we chose that may be the case with this coaching staff

Going down the list of positions, there are only a few i think wouldn't see playing time right away. QB, OL (depending on the position and who is resigned in FA), CB. Everywhere else (RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, S) they would at least be worked in, even if they don't start.


I don't know. I doubt a drafted RB sees the field behind Hill and Gio (and Rex if they work it out).

With Billings and Hardison coming back, I doubt a DT would see much time.

TE? No....

A top safety could jump the depth chart, but anyone taken on day 3 has to hurdle Iloka, Williams, Smith and Fegedelum.

Honestly, the only positions I think could see significant time are LB, RDE and WR2 (if we get a tall, rangy burner). And obviously a kicker, if we break habit and go for one in the draft instead of a veteran FA.

I was talking with the 9th pick only.

And i'm not saying they'll start. But they'll see some action, even if it's a limited role.

RB would quickly play over Hill. A TE would see the field week 2 when Eifert got hurt. DT is a big rotational spot. A top pick boots Peko off the roster and probably spells the end of the jumbo DE's playing DT on 3rd downs.

A safety i can see the argument for. I just think they immediately jump Smith and Fedjy if picked at #9.

A 27th pick sitting is one thing. A #9 pick sitting is really rare, even for the Bengals.
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theJ wrote:
INbengalfan wrote:
theJ wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
johndeere1707 wrote:
TheVillain112 wrote:
Beck Bristow wrote:
Drafting Robinson at 9 and paying Zeitler a big contract are both not good ideas as far as I am concerned.


I do worry that Cam Robinson has a bit of Greg Robinson in him. Physically superior but either too lazy/dumb to really perfect his craft. That said, I'd much rather take a guy like Cam than a secondary player with the #9 pick. If we draft a DB, I'll be furious...


The only DB I wouldn't be mad at is Hooker. But I realize it's not a need


I like Hooker as much as the next guy, but he's not going to see the field if we draft him. He'll play ST with our current coaching staff... Laughing


No matter who we chose that may be the case with this coaching staff

Going down the list of positions, there are only a few i think wouldn't see playing time right away. QB, OL (depending on the position and who is resigned in FA), CB. Everywhere else (RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, S) they would at least be worked in, even if they don't start.


I don't know. I doubt a drafted RB sees the field behind Hill and Gio (and Rex if they work it out).

With Billings and Hardison coming back, I doubt a DT would see much time.

TE? No....

A top safety could jump the depth chart, but anyone taken on day 3 has to hurdle Iloka, Williams, Smith and Fegedelum.

Honestly, the only positions I think could see significant time are LB, RDE and WR2 (if we get a tall, rangy burner). And obviously a kicker, if we break habit and go for one in the draft instead of a veteran FA.

I was talking with the 9th pick only.

And i'm not saying they'll start. But they'll see some action, even if it's a limited role.

RB would quickly play over Hill. A TE would see the field week 2 when Eifert got hurt. DT is a big rotational spot. A top pick boots Peko off the roster and probably spells the end of the jumbo DE's playing DT on 3rd downs.

A safety i can see the argument for. I just think they immediately jump Smith and Fedjy if picked at #9.

A 27th pick sitting is one thing. A #9 pick sitting is really rare, even for the Bengals.


Gotcha. Was thinking you meant any draft pick.

The #9 pick almost needs to be a day 1 starter. And as we have discussed, it needs to be RDE, LB or possibly a WR if the top guys are gone at the other two positions.
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MrCincinnati wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
Lap was on the radio yesterday and had some interesting thoughts:

- He says no way we resign both Whit and Zeitler, thinks Whit is the one resigned

- Said we were offered a 2 and 4 for McCarron last year, but wanted a 1 and 4.

- Thinks we bring Peko back

- Wants a rush guy at 9, if not says take a cover guy


If it really comes down to the decision between either Whitworth or Zeitler, I want Zeitler. Whitworth may be the better player, but building for the future is more important. I honestly see no possible way Whitworth will leave.

Getting a 2nd and a 4th for McCarron is as good as it gets. There's no way any team will offer a 1st for him. And after seeing what happened to the Cowboys with Romo and Prescott, I'd rather keep McCarron around anyway.


I disagree with building for the future being more important. With what we have on the roster for OT, we would be screwed for the next few years. We do not have another player who can play LT on this roster. We do have multiple options at G. We have to protect Dalton at all costs and that is Whitworth for me
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ochocinco4pres wrote:
MrCincinnati wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
Lap was on the radio yesterday and had some interesting thoughts:

- He says no way we resign both Whit and Zeitler, thinks Whit is the one resigned

- Said we were offered a 2 and 4 for McCarron last year, but wanted a 1 and 4.

- Thinks we bring Peko back

- Wants a rush guy at 9, if not says take a cover guy


If it really comes down to the decision between either Whitworth or Zeitler, I want Zeitler. Whitworth may be the better player, but building for the future is more important. I honestly see no possible way Whitworth will leave.

Getting a 2nd and a 4th for McCarron is as good as it gets. There's no way any team will offer a 1st for him. And after seeing what happened to the Cowboys with Romo and Prescott, I'd rather keep McCarron around anyway.


I disagree with building for the future being more important. With what we have on the roster for OT, we would be screwed for the next few years. We do not have another player who can play LT on this roster. We do have multiple options at G. We have to protect Dalton at all costs and that is Whitworth for me


We wouldn't necessarily be screwed. Too many people want to write Cedric off after a handful of games and that's straight ridiculous. A. Smith was terrible as a rookie and then turned into one of the best RT's in the NFL for like 5 straight years. Fisher should see an increase in snaps at RT and could turn into a serviceable guy and Ced, you know could improve in year 2 of playing.
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Crowe22 wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
MrCincinnati wrote:
ochocinco4pres wrote:
Lap was on the radio yesterday and had some interesting thoughts:

- He says no way we resign both Whit and Zeitler, thinks Whit is the one resigned

- Said we were offered a 2 and 4 for McCarron last year, but wanted a 1 and 4.

- Thinks we bring Peko back

- Wants a rush guy at 9, if not says take a cover guy


If it really comes down to the decision between either Whitworth or Zeitler, I want Zeitler. Whitworth may be the better player, but building for the future is more important. I honestly see no possible way Whitworth will leave.

Getting a 2nd and a 4th for McCarron is as good as it gets. There's no way any team will offer a 1st for him. And after seeing what happened to the Cowboys with Romo and Prescott, I'd rather keep McCarron around anyway.


I disagree with building for the future being more important. With what we have on the roster for OT, we would be screwed for the next few years. We do not have another player who can play LT on this roster. We do have multiple options at G. We have to protect Dalton at all costs and that is Whitworth for me


We wouldn't necessarily be screwed. Too many people want to write Cedric off after a handful of games and that's straight ridiculous. A. Smith was terrible as a rookie and then turned into one of the best RT's in the NFL for like 5 straight years. Fisher should see an increase in snaps at RT and could turn into a serviceable guy and Ced, you know could improve in year 2 of playing.


Sure he could improve, but I am not willing to risk it starting him at LT and Fisher at RT going into next year. We gave up 41 sacks with Whit playing LT and being a top 5 LT this year. Imagine having both Fisher and Ced starting, Dalton would die
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