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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
mike23md wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

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I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.


Agreed Woz...

Turtle, stop "prorating" players and assuming that its a linear progression. Its not.


Like how many expect Murphy to surpass 6 sacks next season?


With a 4 game suspension and no PED's, I expect like 2.


Right so you wouldn't pay him going forward as though he's going to get you 6 again.
Well for one, he got 9 last year - not 6. And two, no one said how much we should pay him, just that if he goes out and keeps playing well we should want to re-sign him to a new deal.


That's even better, in 12 games you would hope he had 1 sack at least every other game right? Paying him going forward is based on forward thinking. What can he produce beyond this year? 15 sacks in 4 years IMO. How much is that worth?
In 12 games I think he'll have 5 or 6 sacks which would be about 1 every two games and I believe he'll get 30 to 35 tackles - if he plays mostly OLB/4-3 DE and not mostly 3-4 DE.

Just because we'll pay him on a long term deal doesn't mean it's going to be an expensive one. We could probably sign Murphy after next year on a deal that pays him $3 million or so a year, especially after his PED suspension.

You're not taking into account that in 2014 he spent 1/2 the year as a back up to 2 pro bowl caliber OLBs. In 2015 he was miscast as a ROLB and dropped into coverage over 70% of the time and only rushed the passer 30% of the time. Last year was the first year he rushed the passer most of the time and got a lot of snaps and he delivered. I think it's more likely he's going to be close to the 9 sack guy in 2017 and moving forward rather than a 2.5 sack a year guy.



You just took this somewhere else I asked one question! Stick to your logic I'll stick to mine!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol


*whistles* you went OLD with that last reference. I only know that one because of my dad liking to listen to the Big Broadcast on WAMU on Sunday nights (playing all the old radio programs from the 40s and 50s).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.


Agreed Woz...

Turtle, stop "prorating" players and assuming that its a linear progression. Its not.
NO! It's well within the rules of the forum for me or anyone to predict and project that any player, even the new most hated Redskins by most fans - McClain and McGee - can improve as players based off of the flashes they showed last year.

You don't like it, ignore it. Focus on if I break a rule, if I'm not, then don't tell me to not have a truly responsible opinion.

I can't even believe I have to read this post. What a load of crap.


Thaiphoon and I are first and foremost fans and posters here. That mod badge just means we have a few more powers (and a whole lot more responsibilities).

My previous point regarding your focus solely on the previous season is that you are potentially falling into the trap of expecting that top level of performance instead of expecting a reversion to the mean. My point regarding projecting linear performance is that you are expecting a guy to always do the same every game; it doesn't work that way. Sometimes a guy will have a GREAT game (possibly due to a weak opponent, or he just ate his Wheaties the right way that day) and sometimes he'll have a CRAPPY game (slept wrong, opponent gameplanned around/away from him).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MKnight82 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Thaiphoon wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.


Agreed Woz...

Turtle, stop "prorating" players and assuming that its a linear progression. Its not.
NO! It's well within the rules of the forum for me or anyone to predict and project that any player, even the new most hated Redskins by most fans - McClain and McGee - can improve as players based off of the flashes they showed last year.

You don't like it, ignore it. Focus on if I break a rule, if I'm not, then don't tell me to not have a truly responsible opinion.

I can't even believe I have to read this post. What a load of crap.
Actually I think reading a person projecting a few game stats to full seasons is a load of crap.


That was uncalled for, MKnight.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol


*whistles* you went OLD with that last reference. I only know that one because of my dad liking to listen to the Big Broadcast on WAMU on Sunday nights (playing all the old radio programs from the 40s and 50s).


Big Broadcast is very cool!!

That was even before my time lol but I enjoy listening with a nice glass of scotch and watching how beautiful 20 something girls ask things like " Why does he keep asking is secretary to get someone to get on his horn" this one can go in a number of directions Smile
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Doc Draper wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol


*whistles* you went OLD with that last reference. I only know that one because of my dad liking to listen to the Big Broadcast on WAMU on Sunday nights (playing all the old radio programs from the 40s and 50s).


Big Broadcast is very cool!!

That was even before my time lol but I enjoy listening with a nice glass of scotch and watching how beautiful 20 something girls ask things like " Why does he keep asking is secretary to get someone to get on his horn" this one can go in a number of directions Smile
I love how your stories always start with a scotch and end with a beautiful woman.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol


*whistles* you went OLD with that last reference. I only know that one because of my dad liking to listen to the Big Broadcast on WAMU on Sunday nights (playing all the old radio programs from the 40s and 50s).


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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/21/chris-thompson-signs-restricted-free-agent-tender/
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/21/chris-thompson-signs-restricted-free-agent-tender/


If I'm not mistaken, he had no other options since either yesterday or today was the last day to receive RFA tenders from other teams.

At this point, with rare exceptions (see the Patriots snatching Gillislee), assume you are going to keep your RFAs.
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Woz wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/21/chris-thompson-signs-restricted-free-agent-tender/


If I'm not mistaken, he had no other options since either yesterday or today was the last day to receive RFA tenders from other teams.

At this point, with rare exceptions (see the Patriots snatching Gillislee), assume you are going to keep your RFAs.


So I'm assuming Will Compton is just going to petulantly refuse to sign his tender until June 15 after seeing that no other teams wanted him even at the UDFA tender level?
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Woz wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/21/chris-thompson-signs-restricted-free-agent-tender/


If I'm not mistaken, he had no other options since either yesterday or today was the last day to receive RFA tenders from other teams.

At this point, with rare exceptions (see the Patriots snatching Gillislee), assume you are going to keep your RFAs.


So I'm assuming Will Compton is just going to petulantly refuse to sign his tender until June 15 after seeing that no other teams wanted him even at the UDFA tender level?
I can't imagine him not being at OTAs and minicamps. He just doesn't seem like that kind of guy. If he's hurt because we signed competition for his position, he's got to get over that and be ready to compete and hopefully beat our Foster for the other ILB spot.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Woz wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/21/chris-thompson-signs-restricted-free-agent-tender/


If I'm not mistaken, he had no other options since either yesterday or today was the last day to receive RFA tenders from other teams.

At this point, with rare exceptions (see the Patriots snatching Gillislee), assume you are going to keep your RFAs.


So I'm assuming Will Compton is just going to petulantly refuse to sign his tender until June 15 after seeing that no other teams wanted him even at the UDFA tender level?
I can't imagine him not being at OTAs and minicamps. He just doesn't seem like that kind of guy. If he's hurt because we signed competition for his position, he's got to get over that and be ready to compete and hopefully beat our Foster for the other ILB spot.


Umm, why? Foster was the better player last season.

And he's already skipped the first round of offseason workouts. I wouldn't be surprised if he missed others.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Woz wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/21/chris-thompson-signs-restricted-free-agent-tender/


If I'm not mistaken, he had no other options since either yesterday or today was the last day to receive RFA tenders from other teams.

At this point, with rare exceptions (see the Patriots snatching Gillislee), assume you are going to keep your RFAs.


So I'm assuming Will Compton is just going to petulantly refuse to sign his tender until June 15 after seeing that no other teams wanted him even at the UDFA tender level?
I can't imagine him not being at OTAs and minicamps. He just doesn't seem like that kind of guy. If he's hurt because we signed competition for his position, he's got to get over that and be ready to compete and hopefully beat our Foster for the other ILB spot.


Umm, why? Foster was the better player last season.

And he's already skipped the first round of offseason workouts. I wouldn't be surprised if he missed others.
I think you need to read my entire comment, you are taking it out of context. I'm saying it for him, like hopefully for him personally he can beat out Foster, not that I think he will or really care if he does.

I definitely agree Foster played better. I said all season long Foster should be a 3 down player and Cravens should have been our other starting S. It was clear in 2015 when Foster started that our run defense got better and overall we got better, of course the same could be said for Will, but he didn't play as well last year and neither one are fast. I love the Zach Brown signing, he's a fast sideline to sideline Lb which is what we need in the middle. He's a huge upgrade over both Compton and Foster.
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