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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
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MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.

I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
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Yes and this allows us to keep the draft focus on D-FENCE


Think like Bruce, Jay, and Sydner who is there at 17 they would take? Defense should've been the priority from the get go, but they don't seem to get that. So with that comprehended by me, I see them with RB as the top priority on there board.
That was in 2015 & 16 when McCloughan was running the draft. The last time Bruce & Jay were in 2014 we took a OLB/DE with our first pick, then two Olwho are now starting for us and have been for 2 years and will be for a 3rd with our 2 picks in round 3, and then we took a guy in round 4 who's been our starting CB since 2014.


Again, this assumes that McCloughan had final say. Given what we've heard lately, it does not seem that this was the case. In the end, we don't know who to give credit to for guys like Jamison Crowder or penalize for guys like Matt Jones.
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Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
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Yes and this allows us to keep the draft focus on D-FENCE


Think like Bruce, Jay, and Sydner who is there at 17 they would take? Defense should've been the priority from the get go, but they don't seem to get that. So with that comprehended by me, I see them with RB as the top priority on there board.
That was in 2015 & 16 when McCloughan was running the draft. The last time Bruce & Jay were in 2014 we took a OLB/DE with our first pick, then two Olwho are now starting for us and have been for 2 years and will be for a 3rd with our 2 picks in round 3, and then we took a guy in round 4 who's been our starting CB since 2014.


Again, this assumes that McCloughan had final say. Given what we've heard lately, it does not seem that this was the case. In the end, we don't know who to give credit to for guys like Jamison Crowder or penalize for guys like Matt Jones.
I've always thought whomever the team puts out infront of the media to talk about that issue that they had either final say, or were one of the ones who made the final decision. Scot said in the past that they all worked on these things together. It was pretty obvious to me that after free agency & the draft from 2010-2013 that Shanahan was the one making those final decisions because he was the one that talked to the media and explained them after the decisions were made.

Just look back at all the conversations after the 2012 draft when we traded up for Griffin and when Shanahan explained why he still drafted Cousins in round 4.

Then, in 2014, Bruce Allen did that.

In 2015 & 16 McCloughan did that.

Now in 2017, hrs back to Allen talking to the media about their free agent moves, about Kirk and I'm sure he'll be the one explaining the draft picks after the draft.

I get that you're highly skeptical of this but I think it's been pretty clear. The one who has run the draft and free agency for this organization has been the one infront of the media for as long as I've been a fan.

I'm sure others such as Dan, Bruce and cosches had input, but to what extent, it's impossible to know.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

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I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
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Update for Doc Draper, Gruden appears to no longer be fat:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.


Had we not signed McClain and McGee, I suspect Swearinger would have cancelled out Baker. I don't know how Pryor's 1 y/$6M deal would have done versus Jackson. Carter would have been a non-entity. If I had to guess, I'd say we might have gotten a 3rd and 5th/6th.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year?


Nope: http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/#nfc-east-2016

It's actually pretty funny how terrible we are at working this comp pick system. Meanwhile, the Patriots have at least one every year, even while they're significantly upgrading their team every offseason. And oh look, the Cowboys are getting in on the action too.
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HTTRG3Dynasty wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year?


Nope: http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/#nfc-east-2016

It's actually pretty funny how terrible we are at working this comp pick system. Meanwhile, the Patriots have at least one every year, even while they're significantly upgrading their team every offseason. And oh look, the Cowboys are getting in on the action too.


Yup. Its why its smart to let guys coming off their 2nd contract (or guys coming off their 1st contract but will be too much money and can be easily replaced in the draft)...to walk. Baltimore does this a lot. So do the Pats. And yes, Dallas is starting to wisen up too.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
I don't do sign bets, it's childish to me. If I was a pessimist like almost all Redskins fans I would overreact to their signings because I would have wanted to overpay for Campbell and others. Most are acting like they're for sure these signings are going to fail almost to the point where they'd rather be right about them being bad signings than to have McClain and McGee play well for the redskins.

As for prorating, I'm prorating their stats based off of that they did last season and in McGee's case, if he had played all 16 games.

Why would I go back 3 or 4 years? That doesn't make much sense and it's not why we signed them. We signed them based off of what they showed on film last year and what we believe they can do in our defense over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

John Keim said on Cooley & Kevin that the reason the Redskins signed McClain and McGee were because that's who Jim Tomsula recommended they sign for his DL. They are the kind of DL he is looking for on his defensive line.

Here is the truth, our front office is listening to what one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL is suggesting they do in free agency and all these fans think they know better. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We'll have to see what happens.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
I don't do sign bets, it's childish to me. If I was a pessimist like almost all Redskins fans I would overreact to their signings because I would have wanted to overpay for Campbell and others. Most are acting like they're for sure these signings are going to fail almost to the point where they'd rather be right about them being bad signings than to have McClain and McGee play well for the redskins.

As for prorating, I'm prorating their stats based off of that they did last season and in McGee's case, if he had played all 16 games.

Why would I go back 3 or 4 years? That doesn't make much sense and it's not why we signed them. We signed them based off of what they showed on film last year and what we believe they can do in our defense over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

John Keim said on Cooley & Kevin that the reason the Redskins signed McClain and McGee were because that's who Jim Tomsula recommended they sign for his DL. They are the kind of DL he is looking for on his defensive line.

Here is the truth, our front office is listening to what one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL is suggesting they do in free agency and all these fans think they know better. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We'll have to see what happens.


Turtle-1. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Campbell?
2. Do you believe Tomsula didn't want Hankins
3. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Brandon Williams?
4. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want donte Hightower?
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc Draper wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
I don't do sign bets, it's childish to me. If I was a pessimist like almost all Redskins fans I would overreact to their signings because I would have wanted to overpay for Campbell and others. Most are acting like they're for sure these signings are going to fail almost to the point where they'd rather be right about them being bad signings than to have McClain and McGee play well for the redskins.

As for prorating, I'm prorating their stats based off of that they did last season and in McGee's case, if he had played all 16 games.

Why would I go back 3 or 4 years? That doesn't make much sense and it's not why we signed them. We signed them based off of what they showed on film last year and what we believe they can do in our defense over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

John Keim said on Cooley & Kevin that the reason the Redskins signed McClain and McGee were because that's who Jim Tomsula recommended they sign for his DL. They are the kind of DL he is looking for on his defensive line.

Here is the truth, our front office is listening to what one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL is suggesting they do in free agency and all these fans think they know better. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We'll have to see what happens.


Turtle-1. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Campbell?
2. Do you believe Tomsula didn't want Hankins
3. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Brandon Williams?
4. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want donte Hightower?
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol


Anything they do is OK with Turtle because the Redskins will find a way to find success in it. Even if Tomsula wanted these guys, Turtle will find someway to defend Bruce signing of McClain and MCGee over them. The other guys had no interest in coming here or they wanted too much money. Another one, they will focus on the DL in the draft despite passing on Williams in 2015 and Billings (multiple times last year) plus other DLs throughout the draft after round 1.
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Doc Draper wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
I don't do sign bets, it's childish to me. If I was a pessimist like almost all Redskins fans I would overreact to their signings because I would have wanted to overpay for Campbell and others. Most are acting like they're for sure these signings are going to fail almost to the point where they'd rather be right about them being bad signings than to have McClain and McGee play well for the redskins.

As for prorating, I'm prorating their stats based off of that they did last season and in McGee's case, if he had played all 16 games.

Why would I go back 3 or 4 years? That doesn't make much sense and it's not why we signed them. We signed them based off of what they showed on film last year and what we believe they can do in our defense over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

John Keim said on Cooley & Kevin that the reason the Redskins signed McClain and McGee were because that's who Jim Tomsula recommended they sign for his DL. They are the kind of DL he is looking for on his defensive line.

Here is the truth, our front office is listening to what one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL is suggesting they do in free agency and all these fans think they know better. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We'll have to see what happens.


Turtle-1. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Campbell?
2. Do you believe Tomsula didn't want Hankins
3. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Brandon Williams?
4. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want donte Hightower?
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol
Well there are several factors that go into signing a player. I'm sure Tomsula would have wanted Campbell, Hightower, Logan and Hankins but the contracts got too rich. Giving Campbell and Hankins both $60 million contracts wasn't something we were going to do because we couldn't afford it and retain/franchise Cousins, sign a WR to replace Garçon/Djax, sign an upgrade at FS and have money to eventually re-sign Breeland, Long, Moses and Murphy if they play well this year and earn contract extensions.

Brandon Williams wasn't really an option he re-signed in a 54 million contract to stay in Baltimore right away.

I also have to question if Tomsula is looking for a huge 2 down NT for this defense or at least he's not suggesting we pay near $10 million a year on that player. Look at his DLs in San Fran, they only had 1 a traditional huge NT for 5 years and then, they never had another one. Most of their their NTs were under 320.

Aubrayo Franklin (310 lbs when he played in San Fran), Glenn Gorsey (297 lbs), Ian Williams (305 lbs), Mike Purcell (303 lbs), Quinton Dial (318 lbs)

In his 9 years as the DL coach & then head coach in San Fran he only had one player ever that weighed over 320 pounds and that was Issac Sopoaga from 07-2012.
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
I don't do sign bets, it's childish to me. If I was a pessimist like almost all Redskins fans I would overreact to their signings because I would have wanted to overpay for Campbell and others. Most are acting like they're for sure these signings are going to fail almost to the point where they'd rather be right about them being bad signings than to have McClain and McGee play well for the redskins.

As for prorating, I'm prorating their stats based off of that they did last season and in McGee's case, if he had played all 16 games.

Why would I go back 3 or 4 years? That doesn't make much sense and it's not why we signed them. We signed them based off of what they showed on film last year and what we believe they can do in our defense over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

John Keim said on Cooley & Kevin that the reason the Redskins signed McClain and McGee were because that's who Jim Tomsula recommended they sign for his DL. They are the kind of DL he is looking for on his defensive line.

Here is the truth, our front office is listening to what one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL is suggesting they do in free agency and all these fans think they know better. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We'll have to see what happens.


Turtle-1. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Campbell?
2. Do you believe Tomsula didn't want Hankins
3. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Brandon Williams?
4. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want donte Hightower?
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol


Anything they do is OK with Turtle because the Redskins will find a way to find success in it. Even if Tomsula wanted these guys, Turtle will find someway to defend Bruce signing of McClain and MCGee over them. The other guys had no interest in coming here or they wanted too much money. Another one, they will focus on the DL in the draft despite passing on Williams in 2015 and Billings (multiple times last year) plus other DLs throughout the draft after round 1.
Oh Turtle this, Turtle that, do you dream about me too?

Just because I'm willing to see what our free agents may do and what our front office will do in the draft doesn't mean I love all their moves and non moves, but I am willing to accept the possibility and have an open mind that they may be equivalent to or even better than the guys we didn't re-sign or cut.

It's obviously far easier to be a bandwagon guy and just agree with the opinions of all other fans of to just take the stance that no matter what Allen foes I'll hate it because that's huge popular opinion amongst fans & media in Redskibs nation. Keep riding that bandwagon.

I'll see what happens.

Laughing

McCloughan passed on the DL last year last time I checked.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Woz wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Woz wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
So far so we get any comp picks next year? Seems like we never do


Losses: Garcon, Jackson, Baker
Gains: Pryor, Swearinger, McClain, McGee, Carter


It's possible we end up with a 6th or 7th rounder, given the change in contractual value from our losses to our gains. I suspect the answer is no.


For the record, even if RJF signs somewhere, he wouldn't count for this since he was cut.
Yet another reason to hate the McClain and McGee signings.
Unless they do better than what they did last year and what Baker and RJF did for us last year.

Prorate them out as full time starters and McGee's numbers would be better than Baker and McCalin's #s would be 3 or 4 times what RJF's were last year.


Question: why do you constantly prorate just their last season and ignore their entire career?

Quote:
I could see them combining for around 9 sacks together and around 75 tackles.

If that happens, will you continually say that their signings were a mistake?


Again, I offered a sig bet against that.
I don't do sign bets, it's childish to me. If I was a pessimist like almost all Redskins fans I would overreact to their signings because I would have wanted to overpay for Campbell and others. Most are acting like they're for sure these signings are going to fail almost to the point where they'd rather be right about them being bad signings than to have McClain and McGee play well for the redskins.

As for prorating, I'm prorating their stats based off of that they did last season and in McGee's case, if he had played all 16 games.

Why would I go back 3 or 4 years? That doesn't make much sense and it's not why we signed them. We signed them based off of what they showed on film last year and what we believe they can do in our defense over the next 2 or 3 seasons.

John Keim said on Cooley & Kevin that the reason the Redskins signed McClain and McGee were because that's who Jim Tomsula recommended they sign for his DL. They are the kind of DL he is looking for on his defensive line.

Here is the truth, our front office is listening to what one of the best defensive line coaches in the NFL is suggesting they do in free agency and all these fans think they know better. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We'll have to see what happens.


Turtle-1. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Campbell?
2. Do you believe Tomsula didn't want Hankins
3. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want Brandon Williams?
4. Do you really believe Tomsula didn't want donte Hightower?
Instead he wanted John McClain and Fibber McGee? Ok young bucks go check your google machine to figure this last one out lol
Well there are several factors that go into signing a player. I'm sure Tomsula would have wanted Campbell, Hightower, Logan and Hankins but the contracts got too rich. Giving Campbell and Hankins both $60 million contracts wasn't something we were going to do because we couldn't afford it and retain/franchise Cousins, sign a WR to replace Garçon/Djax, sign an upgrade at FS and have money to eventually re-sign Breeland, Long, Moses and Murphy if they play well this year and earn contract extensions.

Brandon Williams wasn't really an option he re-signed in a 54 million contract to stay in Baltimore right away.

I also have to question if Tomsula is looking for a huge 2 down NT for this defense or at least he's not suggesting we pay near $10 million a year on that player. Look at his DLs in San Fran, they only had 1 a traditional huge NT for 5 years and then, they never had another one. Most of their their NTs were under 320.

Aubrayo Franklin (310 lbs when he played in San Fran), Glenn Gorsey (297 lbs), Ian Williams (305 lbs), Mike Purcell (303 lbs), Quinton Dial (318 lbs)

In his 9 years as the DL coach & then head coach in San Fran he only had one player ever that weighed over 320 pounds and that was Issac Sopoaga from 07-2012.


Who said they needed both Campbell and Hankins? That way you than only have to sign McGee or McClain. Hightower isn't worth 19 million over 4 years? 8 million is too much for Logan? Once again Turtle coming to the defense of Bruce Allen. The guy responsible for free agent contracts and selecting Mcgee and McClain in free agency over others. Also he's the reason certain interest was lost in some players wanting to sign here. This is how he keeps his job and Danny is allowed to continue burring this franchise. Don't make it seem as though none of the guys mentioned doesn't fit Tomsula style of play.
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