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2017 Offseason: Rejected by a hobo, we hire John Lynch as GM
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why does everyone seen to forget Josh McDaniels stint as OC in St.Louis? The Rams offense was doo doo. Not saying that means McDaniels will suck moving forward, but strangely that is never brought up. As if it never happened. Odd.


It is fair bring that up. You could say he hasn't proven anything without Brady, but the way he game plans for opposing defenses is awesome. Look at the different ways the Pats offense attacks depending on the match up. The offense with Jimmy Garoppolo looked good too, granted it was an extremely small sample size.
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just because I never want to let go, but... from the Barrows chat earlier

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No HC love for Vic Fangio in this cycle. Think he'd be interested in being a DC in SF if it's the right fit.


Ed Donatel used to work on Josh McDaniels Denver staff. Wonder if there would be a way we could finagle them away from Chicago, considering there were supposed rumors of friction between Fangio and Fox.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PapaShogun wrote:
Why does everyone seen to forget Josh McDaniels stint as OC in St.Louis? The Rams offense was doo doo. Not saying that means McDaniels will suck moving forward, but strangely that is never brought up. As if it never happened. Odd.


Look at the team they had, they started a young Sam Bradford, A.J. Feely, and Kellen Clemons. The only real player they had was Steven Jackson. I'm not saying we have a better situation, but definitely something to keep in mind. I also think our defense is in a much better situation than theirs was back then. I'm not saying that we should disregard that season all together, but that was a BAD Rams team that didn't have much of anything going their way.

True. Too bad that rationale didn't work for Chip.
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AMG1713 wrote:
just because I never want to let go, but... from the Barrows chat earlier

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No HC love for Vic Fangio in this cycle. Think he'd be interested in being a DC in SF if it's the right fit.


Ed Donatel used to work on Josh McDaniels Denver staff. Wonder if there would be a way we could finagle them away from Chicago, considering there were supposed rumors of friction between Fangio and Fox.


Yep, that's why I brought it up in the Phillips thread.

He also thinks Caserio could still be a candidate.
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PapaShogun wrote:
Why does everyone seen to forget Josh McDaniels stint as OC in St.Louis? The Rams offense was doo doo. Not saying that means McDaniels will suck moving forward, but strangely that is never brought up. As if it never happened. Odd.


Anyone who stands next to BB (coaches, backup QB's, etc) on that sideline is put on a pedestal. Maybe he's improved as a coach but any Patriots coach will be lauded as a good hire
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PapaShogun wrote:
Why does everyone seen to forget Josh McDaniels stint as OC in St.Louis? The Rams offense was doo doo. Not saying that means McDaniels will suck moving forward, but strangely that is never brought up. As if it never happened. Odd.


Anyone who stands next to BB (coaches, backup QB's, etc) on that sideline is put on a pedestal. Maybe he's improved as a coach but any Patriots coach will be lauded as a good hire


Who do you want as our HC?
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ninerfanwheelz wrote:
PapaShogun wrote:
Why does everyone seen to forget Josh McDaniels stint as OC in St.Louis? The Rams offense was doo doo. Not saying that means McDaniels will suck moving forward, but strangely that is never brought up. As if it never happened. Odd.


Anyone who stands next to BB (coaches, backup QB's, etc) on that sideline is put on a pedestal. Maybe he's improved as a coach but any Patriots coach will be lauded as a good hire


Who do you want as our HC?


Dave Toub
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I'll pass on Toub.
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I know I was all for due diligence from Jed to begin with. But with Joseph now in Denver and Phillips possibly becoming available, as a DC AND McVay having his second interview with the Rams, I seriously get the feeling were going to be too late and lose out on both as potential coaches. I think he needs to pounce on McVay and sell him on being able to work with either Wolf or Gutekunst. McVay has ties with Phillips so he could possibly bring him in as DC. That would be the start to a helluva of a rebuild. I think we'll regret it if we let McVay go to LA. Despite his age, I think he's going to give some team a solid HC, who will only improve as he gains experience.
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Phillips would probably want to go to a better situation than this one. But I'd love to have him.

McVay may turn out to be great, but man that's a big risk for now. Barrows thinks he has the "it" factor but may be one that is much better the second time around.
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J-ALL-DAY wrote:
Phillips would probably want to go to a better situation than this one. But I'd love to have him.

McVay may turn out to be great, but man that's a big risk for now. Barrows thinks he has the "it" factor but may be one that is much better the second time around.


I said I liked him when we first lined up the interviews, and defended him a bit, but I agree with you...man, that's a risk. I will say that everything I have heard about him as been overwhelmingly positive. He crushed his interviews. Pedigree. As you said, Barrows said he had the "it" factor. The Washington forum is high on him as well. People say he's an insane worker...first in, last out type of guy. .
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J-ALL-DAY wrote:
Phillips would probably want to go to a better situation than this one. But I'd love to have him.

McVay may turn out to be great, but man that's a big risk for now. Barrows thinks he has the "it" factor but may be one that is much better the second time around.


I said I liked him when we first lined up the interviews, and defended him a bit, but I agree with you...man, that's a risk. I will say that everything I have heard about him as been overwhelmingly positive. He crushed his interviews. Pedigree. As you said, Barrows said he had the "it" factor. The Washington forum is high on him as well. People say he's an insane worker...first in, last out type of guy. .



One thing about him I really like is he that he had that Skins offense clicking with Cousins at QB. And I don't think highly of Cousins at all. That's the slight edge I give him over McDaniels. McDaniels has arguably one of the greatest QBs of all time. Certified HOF. McVay had Kurt freakin Cousins at the helm, lost their top rusher from the previous 4 years in Alfred Morris and still had the 3rd ranked offense. I think that says alot him and his offensive prowless.
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I agree McVay does seem like a tempting hire with the work he's done in Washington and the glowing reports about who is as a person, throw in that Phillips may be is DC and he becomes awfully tempting. Who knows maybe he walks away from that second interview still not signed and we get another with him.

I'd still be more than ok with a possible Shannahan/Morris combo as well as McDaniels and whoever he brings in at DC but regardless the feel 100% better about our coaching staff and FO with either one of these 3 guys at HC and any of the guys we've interviewed over Baalke at GM
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Fureys49ers wrote:
I agree McVay does seem like a tempting hire with the work he's done in Washington and the glowing reports about who is as a person, throw in that Phillips may be is DC and he becomes awfully tempting. Who knows maybe he walks away from that second interview still not signed and we get another with him.

I'd still be more than ok with a possible Shannahan/Morris combo as well as McDaniels and whoever he brings in at DC but regardless the feel 100% better about our coaching staff and FO with either one of these 3 guys at HC and any of the guys we've interviewed over Baalke at GM


To be honest, I haven't heard (serious) reports of anything that isn't a total upgrade from what we had in 2015 and 2016. So, no matter what, we're getting closer to the solution.
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y2lamanaki wrote:
Fureys49ers wrote:
I agree McVay does seem like a tempting hire with the work he's done in Washington and the glowing reports about who is as a person, throw in that Phillips may be is DC and he becomes awfully tempting. Who knows maybe he walks away from that second interview still not signed and we get another with him.

I'd still be more than ok with a possible Shannahan/Morris combo as well as McDaniels and whoever he brings in at DC but regardless the feel 100% better about our coaching staff and FO with either one of these 3 guys at HC and any of the guys we've interviewed over Baalke at GM


To be honest, I haven't heard (serious) reports of anything that isn't a total upgrade from what we had in 2015 and 2016. So, no matter what, we're getting closer to the solution.


Exactlty, +1. However this turns out we'll be sitting in a better situation than we've been in the previous couple of years. Being patient to let it all unfold is going to be the hardest part now.

Chargers getting their second interview with Lynn, as well as the Rams.
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