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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont think Byard is the most athletic guy. I don't believe using him as a deep safety is goinf to be playing to his strengths. I know what he did at a small school in college, but guys are a lot faster here. I think his range is limited playing single high safety only. He can do it, but I think his strength is going to be moving him everywhere.


I wouldn't call MTSU a small school... he has more then enough speed to be the deep safety and the instincts to make an impact. Watch his Alabama tape.


Yep he has plenty of speed and athleticism to be a deep safety. That's a better fit then putting him in the box and covering slot WRs and TEs consistently. He had pretty damn good range in the few games that were online in his college games especially the Bama game. He can play in the box(and I imagine he will still at some point) but I see no reason to say he can't play deep safety and play it at a high level.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

615finest wrote:
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I dont think Byard is the most athletic guy. I don't believe using him as a deep safety is goinf to be playing to his strengths. I know what he did at a small school in college, but guys are a lot faster here. I think his range is limited playing single high safety only. He can do it, but I think his strength is going to be moving him everywhere.


I wouldn't call MTSU a small school... he has more then enough speed to be the deep safety and the instincts to make an impact. Watch his Alabama tape.


I wouldn't say he has more than enough speed. He has adequate speed. I watched that game last year. MTSU isn't playing a lot of single high safety. The issue is being able able to get to either sideline on the same play. His instincts are fine. He's not slow, just don't believe you are getting the most out of him by leaving him in Rashad Johnson's role from last year. Would much rather move him around.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TitanSS wrote:
I dont think Byard is the most athletic guy. I don't believe using him as a deep safety is goinf to be playing to his strengths. I know what he did at a small school in college, but guys are a lot faster here. I think his range is limited playing single high safety only. He can do it, but I think his strength is going to be moving him everywhere.


Exactly. He can do it, but it's not his strength. His versatility is his strength, allowing our defense to give opponents different looks... which also happens to be LeBeau's bread and butter.

I always find it amusing that non forum favourites like Williams will be affected by the speed at the next level... but it's not a concern with forum faves, like Davis and Byard... especially considering they've faced competition less likely to make it at thus next level.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably because speed isn't an issue for Byard. He runs a 4.44 40 and his 3 cone drill time was 6.73. Those are both very good numbers for a safety(not elite tier, but very good).

Eric Berry as a comparison(who plays both SS and FS, depending on what the Chiefs need on a given play) ran a 4.47 and had a 3 cone drill time of 6.80. Earl Thomas ran a 4.49 but didn't do the 3 cone drill. Sean Taylor ran a 4.51, can't find a 3 cone drill time on him. Eric Weddle(switched to SS in Baltimore but was an FS his entire career in SD) ran a 4.48 and 6.78 3 cone drill.

If Byard has any issues becoming a great FS in the NFL, it won't be because of his athleticism/speed. Most great FS have similar measurables to him.

Dunno if speed will be an issue for Williams or not at the next level FWIW, just saying Byard doesn't have an issue in that regard.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Mike Williams ran a 4.44 at his Pro Day, absolutely no one would say he was fast. They would say he timed well, but still plays slow. When you watch Byard play he is far from quick getting to the sideline. I didn't say he was slow, but he is not flashing across the field.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Mike Williams ran a 4.44 at his Pro Day, absolutely no one would say he was fast. They would say he timed well, but still plays slow. When you watch Byard play he is far from quick getting to the sideline. I didn't say he was slow, but he is not flashing across the field.


You're gonna have to show some evidence of Byard having issues getting from sideline to sideline..which you're gonna have difficulties doing from jump just because he played SS/in the box a lot as a rookie.

There isn't a play I can recall where I'd say "if only Byard had more speed he would have made a good play".

The only play that even remotely resembles that is when he tripped while trying to escort Hill from the Chiefs to the sideline on his long run. Which was the right move to make, he just tripped while back pedaling. But Hill might be the fastest player in the NFL so it's hardly a knock on Byard that he couldn't keep up with him in a foot race/had to resort to trying to escort him to the sideline.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Byard is more quick than fast, but he's fast enough to play FS. He covers a lot of ground & has a high IQ.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Mike Williams ran a 4.44 at his Pro Day, absolutely no one would say he was fast. They would say he timed well, but still plays slow. When you watch Byard play he is far from quick getting to the sideline. I didn't say he was slow, but he is not flashing across the field.


You're gonna have to show some evidence of Byard having issues getting from sideline to sideline..which you're gonna have difficulties doing from jump just because he played SS/in the box a lot as a rookie.

There isn't a play I can recall where I'd say "if only Byard had more speed he would have made a good play".

The only play that even remotely resembles that is when he tripped while trying to escort Hill from the Chiefs to the sideline on his long run. Which was the right move to make, he just tripped while back pedaling. But Hill might be the fastest player in the NFL so it's hardly a knock on Byard that he couldn't keep up with him in a foot race/had to resort to trying to escort him to the sideline.


Go watch the Alabama tape. I'm on my phone now, but the first play that they're in cover 4 he's playing the left middle zone and vacates it because it's empty to go to the closest sideline and isn't close to getting there. Adoree Jackson ran a 4.43. Where do you see Byard flashing across the field with that speed? Official pro day times are often unreliable. I think Mike Williams offical pro day time was 4.49 or 4.50, but most scouts had him 4.56-4.58.

No one ever said he couldn't play the role; he certainly has the instincts and his speed is adequate, but I do not see it as close to using him to his strengths. We're better off lining him up all over the field.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric Decker might get released. Coming off surgery. I think it would be worth a try.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eric Decker might get released. Coming off surgery. I think it would be worth a try.

The Jets are gonna score like 12 total points next season.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Mike Williams ran a 4.44 at his Pro Day, absolutely no one would say he was fast. They would say he timed well, but still plays slow. When you watch Byard play he is far from quick getting to the sideline. I didn't say he was slow, but he is not flashing across the field.


You're gonna have to show some evidence of Byard having issues getting from sideline to sideline..which you're gonna have difficulties doing from jump just because he played SS/in the box a lot as a rookie.

There isn't a play I can recall where I'd say "if only Byard had more speed he would have made a good play".

The only play that even remotely resembles that is when he tripped while trying to escort Hill from the Chiefs to the sideline on his long run. Which was the right move to make, he just tripped while back pedaling. But Hill might be the fastest player in the NFL so it's hardly a knock on Byard that he couldn't keep up with him in a foot race/had to resort to trying to escort him to the sideline.
Its not sideline to sideline but I remember him coming in on the blitz and he was a step away from the sack and I thought if he was a lil faster lol. Happened a 2 or 3 times actually. But I don't see his speed being a problem with his game. KB is on the rise.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sean Spence has signed with the Colts we should be able to torch him by throwing to the TEs lol but more players playing musical teams in the AFC South
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Titans fan 617 wrote:
Sean Spence has signed with the Colts we should be able to torch him by throwing to the TEs lol but more players playing musical teams in the AFC South


Let PFF Tell it he earned positive grades against the pass graded negatively against the run
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Eric Decker might get released. Coming off surgery. I think it would be worth a try.


If he becomes available, we'd have to at least take a long look. He checks off a lot of on our list... he runs great routes, has good hands, good size, good quickness, is apparently a great blocker as a receiver...

He's not really a #1, but he seems to be an ideal fit on this offense. He'd give us two very good and reliable #2s, and would help open up the field more for Mariota.

If the Jets are willing to cut him, I'd even be willing to offer a late pick to prevent him from hitting the market.

Speaking of trades, I'd be pestering the Eagles to see what they want for Matthews. Maybe couple it with Kendricks... take care of two spots...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragevsuall17 wrote:
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Eric Decker might get released. Coming off surgery. I think it would be worth a try.


If he becomes available, we'd have to at least take a long look. He checks off a lot of on our list... he runs great routes, has good hands, good size, good quickness, is apparently a great blocker as a receiver...

He's not really a #1, but he seems to be an ideal fit on this offense. He'd give us two very good and reliable #2s, and would help open up the field more for Mariota.

If the Jets are willing to cut him, I'd even be willing to offer a late pick to prevent him from hitting the market.

Speaking of trades, I'd be pestering the Eagles to see what they want for Matthews. Maybe couple it with Kendricks... take care of two spots...


Yes on Decker, no on Matthews. I thought Matthews was going to be a 90+ catch a year guy, but man has he been disappointing. Slow and inconsistent.

Decker, if healthy, would be a real nice addition to our team. He's a fringe #1 guy...I wouldn't be too concerned if our Week 1 starting WRs were Decker/Matthews/Sharpe


edit -- to add (and kind of build on my thoughts on Matthews), we need speed more than anything on offense. Having a guy that can stretch defenses and take a screen 20+ yards in a blink would do WONDERS. When our offense was focusing on Wright, we could have hung 30+ up on just about anyone, because we were utilizing the quick speed that we don't get out of Matthews/Sharpe. The guy doesn't even need to be a major focal point of the O...just someone to add that missing dimension.

Decker wouldn't provide that, but a proven, successful vet like him isn't going to hurt us.
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