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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Harmon goes, get ready for an early round safety. He's a very solid #3 and replacing him will be tough and/or costly. I'd prefer the Pats overpay a little to keep him than try to replace him through the draft.


The trouble is that are so few quality safeties around at the moment that someone may well massively overpay for him.

If that happens, I would expect another late 2nd safety in the draft, depending on how they see Richards progressing. He looked decent in the PS, and it's hard to judge what the coaches think of him during the season when he's stuck behind 3 quality players.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChazStandard wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
If Harmon goes, get ready for an early round safety. He's a very solid #3 and replacing him will be tough and/or costly. I'd prefer the Pats overpay a little to keep him than try to replace him through the draft.


The trouble is that are so few quality safeties around at the moment that someone may well massively overpay for him.

If that happens, I would expect another late 2nd safety in the draft, depending on how they see Richards progressing. He looked decent in the PS, and it's hard to judge what the coaches think of him during the season when he's stuck behind 3 quality players.


I have to wonder if BB would take a look at Jones at safety he can't be a KR or PR yet
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the initial question.
What did Philly get for Sam Bradford?

Significantly more than that.
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To the initial question.
What did Philly get for Sam Bradford?

Significantly more than that.


Why more I am curious about this? Jimmy G has two games on his resume' that's it, two, not a lot to go by.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian_Patriot wrote:
To the initial question.
What did Philly get for Sam Bradford?

Significantly more than that.


Woah! Haven't seen you post in forever Wink

I don't think Jimmy G is traded this offseason baring a can't turn down offer. We have a cost controlled QB who knows the offense inside and out who has proven to be able to fill in during regular season play. He is an extremely valuable backup for a team looking to field a 40 year old starting QB next season.
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MoJo63 wrote:
ChazStandard wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
If Harmon goes, get ready for an early round safety. He's a very solid #3 and replacing him will be tough and/or costly. I'd prefer the Pats overpay a little to keep him than try to replace him through the draft.


The trouble is that are so few quality safeties around at the moment that someone may well massively overpay for him.

If that happens, I would expect another late 2nd safety in the draft, depending on how they see Richards progressing. He looked decent in the PS, and it's hard to judge what the coaches think of him during the season when he's stuck behind 3 quality players.


I have to wonder if BB would take a look at Jones at safety he can't be a KR or PR yet


Jones doesn't really have the skillset to be a safety in New England. He doesn't have good size or length, he's not great at tracking the ball and he has fairly poor recovery ability. He has exactly the skill set the Pats like in their CB's so I would expect that he will be a top 3 CB on the team next year. He looked solid vs. Baltimore, outside of that one play where he got burned badly.

He's a work in progress, but there's no reason he can't be a quality starting CB or - at worst - a really good slot CB.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MoJo63 wrote:
Canadian_Patriot wrote:
To the initial question.
What did Philly get for Sam Bradford?

Significantly more than that.


Why more I am curious about this? Jimmy G has two games on his resume' that's it, two, not a lot to go by.


Just because I view him as a superior QB talent compared to Bradford, even with Bradford having significantly more tape!

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Do you think the reputation Brady's backups have (being awful) will hurt his value?
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Do you think the reputation Brady's backups have (being awful) will hurt his value?


Probably not
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Do you think the reputation Brady's backups have (being awful) will hurt his value?


It could, as silly as it all sounds when our QBs leave and fail a lot of ppl tend to lean on it's our system. Now what may be interesting if Patricia or McDaniels land a job on a team that needs a QB I can see that having a huge effect.
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Do you think the reputation Brady's backups have (being awful) will hurt his value?


I think that's just a matter of percentages - most back-up QBs are fairly terrible. Cassel and Hoyer really over-performed for their draft position.
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Other than Cassel, who showed to be good in KC for one year with Weis, what Pats QB was lauded as being particularly good? Kingsbury? Davey? O'Connell? Mallett? Hoyer? Those guys were either outright cut or (in Mallett's case) traded for peanuts.

I don't think the league has ever really bought into the idea that the Pats generate good QB's. So I doubt the failures of Pats QB's will really affect Garoppolo's value at all.

What Garoppolo has going for him is that he was a coveted prospect recently, regarded by most as a top 50-60 type prospect and in his limited duty he's shown that that potential might actually amount to something. And, unlike Cassel, Garoppolo didn't have Moss, Welker and a great OL.

I think teams that like Garoppolo in his draft year will take a good long look at him in the offseason and he's less risky, perhaps much less so, than someone you'd draft this year.
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He won't be traded, BB will give him a long term contract.
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wahaha wrote:
He won't be traded, BB will give him a long term contract.


So Brady is retiring?
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mcmurtry86 wrote:
wahaha wrote:
He won't be traded, BB will give him a long term contract.


So Brady is retiring?


No, he is not.

Both of them know that each gives the other the best chance to get 5th ring, but what happened in Sep, 2014 may happen again anytime.

If they get 5th ring in contract time, both BB and Brady have other thing to prove, that is, they can win without each other.

If they fail to get 5th ring, Brady will be let go. (Browns or 49ers)

The biggest threat to SB run this season is Giants, their defense suddenly becomes so great, especially pass rush, and their offense is capable of scoring 24+ pts against pats D. No QB in NFC knows how to protect the balls (besides Eli in playoff).
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