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barnaby8787


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Prospect-Pro Comparisons 2016-17 Reply with quote

Rich7sena wrote:
barnaby8787 wrote:
Rich7sena wrote:

WR:
Mike William - Michael Floyd


I think Mike Williams is a much better athlete personally. Reminds me of Dez.

I'd be surprised if Williams tests out better than Floyd (4.47, 36" vert, 122" broad, 7.11 SS at 6'3" 220 lbs.). I view both as stiff playmakers with iffy hands who are best served as a clear number two to another elite perimeter option.

barnaby8787 wrote:
I see Marshawn personally.

This is my most hated comparison for Foreman. Lynch had all-time great balance and lateral movement.


In terms of Williams, I think he's a better athlete than a 4.47 with a 36" vert and plays at a faster speed, but we'll see at the combine. And if you watch Foreman, the guy runs like a freight train, but can change direction with easy.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Prospect-Pro Comparisons 2016-17 Reply with quote

barnaby8787 wrote:
And if you watch Foreman, the guy runs like a freight train, but can change direction with easy.

Marshawn Lynch was 5'11" 215, ran lower and popped more. There are much better comparisons out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Prospect-Pro Comparisons 2016-17 Reply with quote

CalhounLambeau wrote:
barnaby8787 wrote:
And if you watch Foreman, the guy runs like a freight train, but can change direction with easy.

Marshawn Lynch was 5'11" 215, ran lower and popped more. There are much better comparisons out there.


And this Foreman kid is faster than Lynch ever was. Lynch was my favorite runningback during his reign of terror in Seattle, but he didn't hit homeruns the way Foreman does. Lynch will almost 100% be considered the better pro back 15 years from now, but I think Foreman ends up being a high end RB for someone. I really like his game.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you guys will have to find some point of agreement here on a guy that will rise somewhat following the combine:

Nate Gerry (Harrison Smith)
Positions played: Safety / some linebacker (Safety / some linebacker)
Recruited as: Athlete (Athlete)
Height: 6'2 (6'2)
Weight: 220lbs (215lbs)
40 time: 4.4 - 4.5 tbc (4.5s)
Trademarks: Big hits and Ints (Big hits and ints)
Senior Year tackles per game / pdef / TFL: 6.73, 12, 5.5 (6.93, 10, 3)

Harrison is an ultra-athletic, big and smart safety who has roamed the secondary as a four-year starter and senior captain for Notre Dame. He is the type of safety who is always involved, using his quickness, recognition and overall body control to react effectively to plays.

Gerry's athleticism: Gerry won the 200 and was runner-up in the 100 last year as a junior. His bests of 10.39 in the 100 and 21.31. Claimed 35" vert, 10'7" broad. Ran down Akrum Wadley easily.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see a lot of Odell Beckham in Corey Davis as far as maintaining speed in and out of cuts. Davis may test faster but not as explosive. With the ball in his hands, I see so much of prime Roddy White.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lark25 wrote:
I think you guys will have to find some point of agreement here on a guy that will rise somewhat following the combine:

Nate Gerry (Harrison Smith)
Positions played: Safety / some linebacker (Safety / some linebacker)
Recruited as: Athlete (Athlete)
Height: 6'2 (6'2)
Weight: 220lbs (215lbs)
40 time: 4.4 - 4.5 tbc (4.5s)
Trademarks: Big hits and Ints (Big hits and ints)
Senior Year tackles per game / pdef / TFL: 6.73, 12, 5.5 (6.93, 10, 3)

Harrison is an ultra-athletic, big and smart safety who has roamed the secondary as a four-year starter and senior captain for Notre Dame. He is the type of safety who is always involved, using his quickness, recognition and overall body control to react effectively to plays.

Gerry's athleticism: Gerry won the 200 and was runner-up in the 100 last year as a junior. His bests of 10.39 in the 100 and 21.31. Claimed 35" vert, 10'7" broad. Ran down Akrum Wadley easily.


Problem is I don't think Gerry runs a 4.5, I think he's closer to 4.7.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jlash wrote:
lark25 wrote:
I think you guys will have to find some point of agreement here on a guy that will rise somewhat following the combine:

Nate Gerry (Harrison Smith)
Positions played: Safety / some linebacker (Safety / some linebacker)
Recruited as: Athlete (Athlete)
Height: 6'2 (6'2)
Weight: 220lbs (215lbs)
40 time: 4.4 - 4.5 tbc (4.5s)
Trademarks: Big hits and Ints (Big hits and ints)
Senior Year tackles per game / pdef / TFL: 6.73, 12, 5.5 (6.93, 10, 3)

Harrison is an ultra-athletic, big and smart safety who has roamed the secondary as a four-year starter and senior captain for Notre Dame. He is the type of safety who is always involved, using his quickness, recognition and overall body control to react effectively to plays.

Gerry's athleticism: Gerry won the 200 and was runner-up in the 100 last year as a junior. His bests of 10.39 in the 100 and 21.31. Claimed 35" vert, 10'7" broad. Ran down Akrum Wadley easily.


Problem is I don't think Gerry runs a 4.5, I think he's closer to 4.7.

Ran the 100m in high school at 10.39. And was timed at combines in hs with a best 40 of 4.42.

dudes got wheels
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blaize4488 wrote:
I see a lot of Odell Beckham in Corey Davis as far as maintaining speed in and out of cuts. Davis may test faster but not as explosive. With the ball in his hands, I see so much of prime Roddy White.

I'm not so sure Davis runs sub 4.4. He's such a short strider for a talker guy it looks like he's moving faster than he is.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

48 1/2ers wrote:
Jlash wrote:
lark25 wrote:
I think you guys will have to find some point of agreement here on a guy that will rise somewhat following the combine:

Nate Gerry (Harrison Smith)
Positions played: Safety / some linebacker (Safety / some linebacker)
Recruited as: Athlete (Athlete)
Height: 6'2 (6'2)
Weight: 220lbs (215lbs)
40 time: 4.4 - 4.5 tbc (4.5s)
Trademarks: Big hits and Ints (Big hits and ints)
Senior Year tackles per game / pdef / TFL: 6.73, 12, 5.5 (6.93, 10, 3)

Harrison is an ultra-athletic, big and smart safety who has roamed the secondary as a four-year starter and senior captain for Notre Dame. He is the type of safety who is always involved, using his quickness, recognition and overall body control to react effectively to plays.

Gerry's athleticism: Gerry won the 200 and was runner-up in the 100 last year as a junior. His bests of 10.39 in the 100 and 21.31. Claimed 35" vert, 10'7" broad. Ran down Akrum Wadley easily.


Problem is I don't think Gerry runs a 4.5, I think he's closer to 4.7.

Ran the 100m in high school at 10.39. And was timed at combines in hs with a best 40 of 4.42.

dudes got wheels


That's great. I doubt he was 220 in HS either though. I just don't see a 4.4 out there, but I guess he could surprise me.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly my point that he's a guy that will rise following the combine, there are a lot of people that haven't seen him play that thing he's a 4.7 plodder.

The recent game against Iowa he turned and ran down the Iowa RB with absolute ease. Terrible D by Nebraska, but that showed his wheels over 50ish yards.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lark25 wrote:
Exactly my point that he's a guy that will rise following the combine, there are a lot of people that haven't seen him play that thing he's a 4.7 plodder.

The recent game against Iowa he turned and ran down the Iowa RB with absolute ease. Terrible D by Nebraska, but that showed his wheels over 50ish yards.


I also remember him running down Melvin Gordon 2 years ago on a long run. There is no way he is over a 4.5 in the 40. Likely will be a high 4.3/low 4.4.
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Mike Williams = Braylon Edwards
Courtland Sutton = Faster Alshon Jeffery
Corey Davis = Eric Moulds
Derek Barnett = Trent Cole
Sidney Jones = Desmond Trufant
Desmond King = Brandon Flowers
Dan Feeney = Evan Mathis
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jlash wrote:
48 1/2ers wrote:
Jlash wrote:
lark25 wrote:
I think you guys will have to find some point of agreement here on a guy that will rise somewhat following the combine:

Nate Gerry (Harrison Smith)
Positions played: Safety / some linebacker (Safety / some linebacker)
Recruited as: Athlete (Athlete)
Height: 6'2 (6'2)
Weight: 220lbs (215lbs)
40 time: 4.4 - 4.5 tbc (4.5s)
Trademarks: Big hits and Ints (Big hits and ints)
Senior Year tackles per game / pdef / TFL: 6.73, 12, 5.5 (6.93, 10, 3)

Harrison is an ultra-athletic, big and smart safety who has roamed the secondary as a four-year starter and senior captain for Notre Dame. He is the type of safety who is always involved, using his quickness, recognition and overall body control to react effectively to plays.

Gerry's athleticism: Gerry won the 200 and was runner-up in the 100 last year as a junior. His bests of 10.39 in the 100 and 21.31. Claimed 35" vert, 10'7" broad. Ran down Akrum Wadley easily.


Problem is I don't think Gerry runs a 4.5, I think he's closer to 4.7.

Ran the 100m in high school at 10.39. And was timed at combines in hs with a best 40 of 4.42.

dudes got wheels


That's great. I doubt he was 220 in HS either though. I just don't see a 4.4 out there, but I guess he could surprise me.

218 according to this link
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/fast-times-at-s-d-high-helped-nu-track-gerry/article_9ced93c8-6dfa-5c96-ab06-2ba455a61a65.html
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone done any Isiah Ford comparisons?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
Mike Williams = Braylon Edwards
Courtland Sutton = Faster Alshon Jeffery
Corey Davis = Eric Moulds
Derek Barnett = Trent Cole
Sidney Jones = Desmond Trufant
Desmond King = Brandon Flowers
Dan Feeney = Evan Mathis

I like the Braylon -> Edwards comparison (and when I think about it, Floyd and Edwards are also similar to each other).

I also like the King->Flowers comparison. He's easily my favorite corner in this draft class.
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