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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broncofan wrote:
BroncoBruin wrote:
The vast majority of that figure would come from bonuses and incentives for being on the active roster. 900,000 base.


I think that's the vet minimum. So totally fine with it. Phew. EDIT: Just checked, the vet min for a 7-9 year player is 900k. So that's the lowest possible. Is it guaranteed? If not guaranteed until Week 1, even better.

Source - https://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/

The other part is that cap-wise given JC's missed 24/32 games it's not likely the NFL is going to ding DEN for more than the 900K (because bonuses are based on the probability of achieving those bonuses - you give a guy a 900K base and 2.85M in bonuses on games played who played every game the year prior, more than likely the NFL will charge 3.75M vs. the cap, and if the guy doesn't hit those #'s, it gets returned to the 2018 cap). So no loss in cap flexibility, only the 900k (and if that's not guaranteed...even better).

If there is little to no guaranteed $ - then classic Elway contract. No risk.


I am unsure, but is JC a very physical back? He doesn't seem like a bruiser, more finesse, but certainly not physical. I think since he isn't physical, maybe that will have prolonged his career a bit. Yet, he has the knee issues, which after the physical, those checked out.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand if Jaye Howard ends up getting paid a lot by someone else that he costs too much to bring in and help our run D - but Elway signing Billy Winn yesterday tells me there is clearly roster space on our D-line for Howard. Winn seemed like a solid citizen but skills wise he's literally JAG.

Probably no risk with any guaranteed money but if you feel you have to bring in more DL bodies no way Howard's agent shouldn't be getting at least a phone call from us. Puzzling to say the least.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winn offers nothing as a pass rusher but was better than Crick by a mile vs. the run. Where does Crick fit on this team now? Until the draft, it looked like he was being reduced to nickel snaps, but after drafting Walker and now signing another "run down" player to compete in Winn, Crick looks like a good bet to not make the roster.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Winn offers nothing as a pass rusher but was better than Crick by a mile vs. the run. Where does Crick fit on this team now? Until the draft, it looked like he was being reduced to nickel snaps, but after drafting Walker and now signing another "run down" player to compete in Winn, Crick looks like a good bet to not make the roster.


Agree on Crick.

Here's the thing with Howard - he's one of the best at stopping the run 2nd highest run stopping percentage of all 3-4 DE last year. And he's young. So if he has a good year he could get a nice deal in FA - which then could get us a comp pick in 2019. And at the $ guys are getting now the risk seems super low.

Billy Winn isn't as good at run stopping and he has no likelihood of being a FA target with a big year.

I know you called for Howard too BTW. I just don't see Elway not even kicking the tires. Only reason would be if the $$$ is huge but usually this when all the deals are pretty cheap. Guess we will see.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably medical tbh. The Broncos could potentially have as much as 10 million dollars left to spend this summer factoring in the draftees/cuts that make sense. He's well within the budget. Might just end up wanting to carry over more cap room than they're accustomed to, 2018 could be another tight squeeze.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably medical tbh. The Broncos could potentially have as much as 10 million dollars left to spend this summer factoring in the draftees/cuts that make sense. He's well within the budget. Might just end up wanting to carry over more cap room than they're accustomed to, 2018 could be another tight squeeze.


Rollover is definitely possible. We have 20M in 2018 cap space. There are guys we can cut who can save some space but at best we will be middle of pack even with that rollover. It's just that the $ usually handed out now are not deal breakers.

We do save 1.5m by cutting Crick. Winn likely makes 900k if he makes team at his service time so that's a free 600k if you think there's no diff or Winn is better. If Howard signs cheaply though and it's not medical...oh well.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The details for Jaye Howard are up on Spotrac - 1 year, 775K. Not guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaye-howard-9932/

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Min wage deal. Man the only rational explanation for us not pursuing him has to be injury risk (like Bruin mentioned earlier) - cutting Crick saves 1.5M. Winn would be even slightly more expensive with more NFL service time (900K with 7 years in). We paid more for a player we know is JAG than a guy who was 2nd in run stop percentage for 3-4 DE in 2016. I get it if it's medically-related, but otherwise people can't argue we don't have the need or roster space (since we signed Winn day before). And both Winn & Howard were non-guaranteed $ deals. Oh well.

The only silver lining is this only gives back 775k to KC. They only had 2.4M+ to spare for 2017, not quite enough to get their rookies signed (a big reason to cut Howard in the first place). The Chiefs didn't get the 2.5M cap relief they could have gained, probably enough now to get their rookies signed, but likely no rollover for 2018. Right now, headed into 2018, they are 20M+ over the cap. Not that they only have 20M to work with - they have to get rid of 20M+ just to be under the 2018 max. 32nd out of 32 teams, well behind DAL at 31. Wow.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When are the 1st OTA's? That's when our new staff will be able to get a real handle on roster talent.

If they still see a DE/DT need I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign Odrick.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When are the 1st OTA's? That's when our new staff will be able to get a real handle on roster talent.

If they still see a DE/DT need I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign Odrick.


http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/03/broncos-2017-offseason-workout-program-schedule/

May 23-25 according to Jhabvala.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broncofan wrote:
AKRNA wrote:
When are the 1st OTA's? That's when our new staff will be able to get a real handle on roster talent.

If they still see a DE/DT need I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign Odrick.


http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/03/broncos-2017-offseason-workout-program-schedule/

May 23-25 according to Jhabvala.


This is pending physicals, though. They must have physicals.
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Wolfe has bulked up to between 305-310 pounds. With Peko weighing 325 at nose and Kerr 334 pounds at right end, that's an 80-85 pound difference from last year up front.
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BF2010 & Germany called this one a while back, but if we are looking for ILB depth, Gerald Hodges is still around...but not likely for long. Visits to IND & NE & JAX scheduled.

I get that VJ & Woods really feel comfortable with Todd Davis as the other ILB, just really weird to go in with only Zaire Anderson & Corey Nelson as our backups (UDFA Josh Banderas being the other guy on our depth chart). People might forget that Anderson had a really scary neck injury in our final game, and was temporarily paralyzed. Forget if Anderson's even able to play at a high enough level, that's a major flag for future play. With Davis a UDFA after this year, ILB is a pretty clear target area for 2018+ development.
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Broncofan wrote:
BF2010 & Germany called this one a while back, but if we are looking for ILB depth, Gerald Hodges is still around...but not likely for long. Visits to IND & NE & JAX scheduled.

I get that VJ & Woods really feel comfortable with Todd Davis as the other ILB, just really weird to go in with only Zaire Anderson & Corey Nelson as our backups (UDFA Josh Banderas being the other guy on our depth chart). People might forget that Anderson had a really scary neck injury in our final game, and was temporarily paralyzed. Forget if Anderson's even able to play at a high enough level, that's a major flag for future play. With Davis a UDFA after this year, ILB is a pretty clear target area for 2018+ development.


Daryl Washington is also out there.
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BF2010 & Germany called this one a while back, but if we are looking for ILB depth, Gerald Hodges is still around...but not likely for long. Visits to IND & NE & JAX scheduled.

I get that VJ & Woods really feel comfortable with Todd Davis as the other ILB, just really weird to go in with only Zaire Anderson & Corey Nelson as our backups (UDFA Josh Banderas being the other guy on our depth chart). People might forget that Anderson had a really scary neck injury in our final game, and was temporarily paralyzed. Forget if Anderson's even able to play at a high enough level, that's a major flag for future play. With Davis a UDFA after this year, ILB is a pretty clear target area for 2018+ development.


Daryl Washington is also out there.


If he's the 2013 Washington everyone would be interested. 4 years is just so hard to know what he has left. More importantly any trouble and he's done for the year likely his career. There probably wouldn't be any guaranteed $ but I get why Hodges has a lot of interest now and Washington has none so far after reinstatement when you look at the above. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets a call when injuries hit but hard for teams to see him as plan A.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No butts aside, the Broncos look to be in play for Barnidge.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/05/broncos-te-gary-barnidge
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