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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foster won't fall to 20. He may slide a little but Elway will have to go up and get him if he wants him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliot878 wrote:
I'm trying to keep a cool head today, but there are several scenarios that have the potential to set me off.

1. Drafting a WR in round 1, just no.
2. Drafting anyone who is not Reuben Foster if Reuben Foster is on the board.
3. Drafting a QB round 1 (yikes!)



There are several positions I'm wary of. As much as we talk about this OT class not being great, there is no elite talent at WR in this draft, there are also plenty of questions surrounding the first round talent on the interior DL. I prefer avoiding these in the first round of a draft that is widely considered to be one of the deepest in talent in a long time. Let's get a sure thing and move forward.


I would draft Corey Davis Round 1 in a heartbeat. He's going to be a stud, but he's the only one I would take. I echo the rest of your points though.

Players I would like in R1: Cam Robinson, Haason Reddick, TJ Watt, Reuben Foster (if he falls). I'd be okay ish with Ramczyk or Taco Charlton.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
elliot878 wrote:
I'm trying to keep a cool head today, but there are several scenarios that have the potential to set me off.

1. Drafting a WR in round 1, just no.
2. Drafting anyone who is not Reuben Foster if Reuben Foster is on the board.
3. Drafting a QB round 1 (yikes!)



There are several positions I'm wary of. As much as we talk about this OT class not being great, there is no elite talent at WR in this draft, there are also plenty of questions surrounding the first round talent on the interior DL. I prefer avoiding these in the first round of a draft that is widely considered to be one of the deepest in talent in a long time. Let's get a sure thing and move forward.


I would draft Corey Davis Round 1 in a heartbeat. He's going to be a stud, but he's the only one I would take. I echo the rest of your points though.

Players I would like in R1: Cam Robinson, Haason Reddick, TJ Watt, Reuben Foster (if he falls). I'd be okay ish with Ramczyk or Taco Charlton.


Not a huge Taco fan for this team. Where does he play? 3-4 end? Would take time to add bulk to be an everydown guy. We need an everydown player at 20 not a pass rush specialist who needs to add weight.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draft Watt and trade 4.125 and Barrett to the Browns for Joe Thomas Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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broncos67 wrote:
elliot878 wrote:
I'm trying to keep a cool head today, but there are several scenarios that have the potential to set me off.

1. Drafting a WR in round 1, just no.
2. Drafting anyone who is not Reuben Foster if Reuben Foster is on the board.
3. Drafting a QB round 1 (yikes!)



There are several positions I'm wary of. As much as we talk about this OT class not being great, there is no elite talent at WR in this draft, there are also plenty of questions surrounding the first round talent on the interior DL. I prefer avoiding these in the first round of a draft that is widely considered to be one of the deepest in talent in a long time. Let's get a sure thing and move forward.


I would draft Corey Davis Round 1 in a heartbeat. He's going to be a stud, but he's the only one I would take. I echo the rest of your points though.

Players I would like in R1: Cam Robinson, Haason Reddick, TJ Watt, Reuben Foster (if he falls). I'd be okay ish with Ramczyk or Taco Charlton.


Not a huge Taco fan for this team. Where does he play? 3-4 end? Would take time to add bulk to be an everydown guy. We need an everydown player at 20 not a pass rush specialist who needs to add weight.


I don't love Taco, but he has been mentioned by Klis and others so I'm just guessing the team is intrigued by him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliot878 wrote:
I think a dark horse for our pick tonight is Jarrad Davis/TJ Watt, just a hunch if we dont go OL and the top 2 ILB are gone.


Wouldn't mind either, but would think we could trade down 5+ picks an potentially still pick either up.

If an Elite Talent doesn't fall to 20 (which seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened), I'd really rather trade down and pick up another 3rd (or even 2nd - depending on how far), then use all that ammo to really focus on 4 impact players from 25-100, where there seems to be a ton of value in this Draft.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elliot878 wrote:
It's crazy to me that this is considered a "down year" for OT prospects. Says who? The draft pundits and scouts who have whiffed so hard on OT prospects the last few years. I'm sorry but I don't trust the pundits OL evaluations anymore. No TV "scouts," no draft blog writers, no beat writers - the bust rate on first round OT's has been extremely high the last 5 years, and these same pundits saying it's a down year this year said that there were can't miss OL who have indeed, missed.


I'm skeptical of the analysts OLine evaluations, so them calling it a "weak class" means zilch to me - they have no idea what they're looking at based on the last several years of first round tackle picks. Our gaping hole on the OL combined with the pundits poor OL analysis the past several years will lead me not to judge if Denver takes an OL in the first round. I'm not going to pretend to have any idea, so I'll wait til that player steps foot on the field and then I'll begin to judge.

With all that said, if we draft an OL over Reuben Foster I'm gonna be HEATED.


I hear what your saying El, but I don't know that I agree. Yes, most pundits/scouts are wrong. Everyone is with the draft because it's a crapshoot. That being said, not hard to see why people are skeptical of this class. Bolles is 25 with 1 year of experience. Ramczyk is coming off a hip injury with 1 year of experience. Cam Robinson seems like a good bet, but doesn't profile as an OT. The rest of the class profiles as a bunch of guards or developmental OTs. That's the issue people have with the class- there appear to be very few players who can contribute early on, and while there are quite a few developmental guys, they all have bigger question marks than normal.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DiehardBronxFan wrote:
elliot878 wrote:
I think a dark horse for our pick tonight is Jarrad Davis/TJ Watt, just a hunch if we dont go OL and the top 2 ILB are gone.


Wouldn't mind either, but would think we could trade down 5+ picks an potentially still pick either up.

If an Elite Talent doesn't fall to 20 (which seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened), I'd really rather trade down and pick up another 3rd (or even 2nd - depending on how far), then use all that ammo to really focus on 4 impact players from 25-100, where there seems to be a ton of value in this Draft.


I agree if the board goes in a perfect storm against us, and we don't get an elite talent (Foster, Reddick, Lamp) to fall to us, trading back in Rd 1 to and getting an extra Day 2 pick makes sense. Obviously Elway should wait until the board shakes out before committing to trading down, seems like we could have an elite talent fall to 1.20. But if we only trade down Rd 1 and do nothing else trade-wise then we'd have 11 picks - we'd need to then work our Day 3 excess or combine Day 2 picks to move up at a key spot in Rd 2 / early Rd 3. We won't be able to keep all 11 guys on our roster & PS.

Re: Davis, if Foster and Reddick go before 1.20, I don't see Jarrad Davis staying past OAK & KC at 1.24 and 1.27, unless 1 of those teams loves Cunningham over Davis (EDIT: Fixed). So keep the above in mind. But the idea is sound.

I'm all for getting 4 impact players from our top 100 - we can't decrease our overall # of top 100 picks, but if we can leverage our Day 3 picks to move up, or move down Rd 1 to get that extra value in Day 2, if none of the elite guys falls to 1.20, then we're good.

Our goal should be to pick 8x this year - and use 2 picks for 2018 assets, or to move up at key points on Day 2. We can trade down and then have 11 picks - provided we use that pick excess to re-concentrate our Day 2 value.
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This is like playing checkers with a pigeon. No matter how well you play, sooner or later the pigeon is going to crap on the board, then puff his chest out and strut around like he won something.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious - when do we start a Draft thread? Or do we just piggyback and keep going here? Can't remember.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
Counselor wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
elliot878 wrote:
I'm trying to keep a cool head today, but there are several scenarios that have the potential to set me off.

1. Drafting a WR in round 1, just no.
2. Drafting anyone who is not Reuben Foster if Reuben Foster is on the board.
3. Drafting a QB round 1 (yikes!)



There are several positions I'm wary of. As much as we talk about this OT class not being great, there is no elite talent at WR in this draft, there are also plenty of questions surrounding the first round talent on the interior DL. I prefer avoiding these in the first round of a draft that is widely considered to be one of the deepest in talent in a long time. Let's get a sure thing and move forward.


I would draft Corey Davis Round 1 in a heartbeat. He's going to be a stud, but he's the only one I would take. I echo the rest of your points though.

Players I would like in R1: Cam Robinson, Haason Reddick, TJ Watt, Reuben Foster (if he falls). I'd be okay ish with Ramczyk or Taco Charlton.


Not a huge Taco fan for this team. Where does he play? 3-4 end? Would take time to add bulk to be an everydown guy. We need an everydown player at 20 not a pass rush specialist who needs to add weight.


I don't love Taco, but he has been mentioned by Klis and others so I'm just guessing the team is intrigued by him.


To me, Taco is exactly what Malik Jackson was when he was drafted. Taco has the production that warrants a higher draft pick than Malik did. But as far as their bodies - both came out around 275 with plenty of frame to add weight to transition to the 3-4 end position.

Taco really intrigues me if a move to end was in store. Not as an OLB though, that'd mirror the Ayers as a 3-4 OLB pick in poor fit.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Browns need to be relegated to the CFL... Trubisky #1.
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The Browns need to be relegated to the CFL... Trubisky #1.


I hope for Cleveland's sake its smoke screen. They need talent, and Garrett is the most talented player in the draft. Besides it being a weak QB draft, they will have a high pick next year to pick a QB. I don't know anything about the draft class next year but they should just roll with Kessler and add as much talent as possible. Which isn't the QB position.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt the Browns FO super analytic? Because if they are, then no way Trub is the 1st overall pick. Both on field and athletic analytics put Garrett on the elite scale of talent. He has to be the pick.

100% believe its a smokescreen.
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Isnt the Browns FO super analytic? Because if they are, then no way Trub is the 1st overall pick. Both on field and athletic analytics put Garrett on the elite scale of talent. He has to be the pick.

100% believe its a smokescreen.


Only way this happens is if the owner Haslem overrules Hue. In which case Hue should leave at seasons end. Otherwise yeah no rational scenario says Garrett gets passed over.
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I can see why the Browns like Trubisky, but with the number of picks they have, they could get Myles Garret with #1 and trade up from 12 to get Trubisky...unless, the 49ers are aiming for Trubisky.

I want the Browns to be relevant again. I miss the Broncos vs. Browns rivalry. I always liked the Browns as a result of it.
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