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CaliforniaKid7


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^So you guys would say Hooker is a top 15-20 prospect? The next safety off the board after Adams?


Funny enough Raiders need a replacement for Nelson and a buddy for Joseph going forward. But I just don't like Hooker that much at this point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hooker is absolutely the next best safety in the class behind Adams. Williams, Maye, and Peppers are R2 prospects IMO. Someone will gamble on Peppers potential and take him r1, but methinks that will be a mistake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaliforniaKid7 wrote:
^^^So you guys would say Hooker is a top 15-20 prospect? The next safety off the board after Adams?


Funny enough Raiders need a replacement for Nelson and a buddy for Joseph going forward. But I just don't like Hooker that much at this point.


He won't be there unless he runs a high 4.6-4.7 40... Which I doubt. Hooker should survive on his instincts in this league but if he wants to be a mainstay great player he needs to improve in the run game and at this point with good coaching I see no reason why he won't. Marcus Williams is a player I think could rise up to the Raiders spot or Atlantas in round 1.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched Adams's clips against Wisconsin, Auburn, and TAMU and he didn't really seem to stand out to me that much. Big and athletic, but he wasn't that great when he had to play on a man and he would give like a massive cushion. Maybe that's just how LSU does it with safeties, but IDK, he didn't seem to be flying all over the place and making plays behind the line, cutting off big plays, or forcing things back. And his tackling willingness seemed to come and go at times. Doesn't really seem like a traditional deep safety and he was used that way a lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
I watched Adams's clips against Wisconsin, Auburn, and TAMU and he didn't really seem to stand out to me that much. Big and athletic, but he wasn't that great when he had to play on a man and he would give like a massive cushion. Maybe that's just how LSU does it with safeties, but IDK, he didn't seem to be flying all over the place and making plays behind the line, cutting off big plays, or forcing things back. And his tackling willingness seemed to come and go at times. Doesn't really seem like a traditional deep safety and he was used that way a lot.


I have Hooker above him right now. Could change though.
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Opinions on Fabian Moreau from UCLA?
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KingBishop wrote:
JammerHammer21 wrote:
I watched Adams's clips against Wisconsin, Auburn, and TAMU and he didn't really seem to stand out to me that much. Big and athletic, but he wasn't that great when he had to play on a man and he would give like a massive cushion. Maybe that's just how LSU does it with safeties, but IDK, he didn't seem to be flying all over the place and making plays behind the line, cutting off big plays, or forcing things back. And his tackling willingness seemed to come and go at times. Doesn't really seem like a traditional deep safety and he was used that way a lot.


I have Hooker above him right now. Could change though.


Agreed. It's harder to find a Safety with Hooker's range and ball skills than a really good SS, who can also play some FS (Adams). Adams never gets that INT against Clemson - wouldn't even get a PBU on that play. Hooker isn't soft either. He made a big hit to stop a Clemson WR a yard short on 3rd Down.

This is not a knock on Adams. He's a great player, and he's close to a lock to go top-15 - and could still go top-10.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
I watched Adams's clips against Wisconsin, Auburn, and TAMU and he didn't really seem to stand out to me that much. Big and athletic, but he wasn't that great when he had to play on a man and he would give like a massive cushion. Maybe that's just how LSU does it with safeties, but IDK, he didn't seem to be flying all over the place and making plays behind the line, cutting off big plays, or forcing things back. And his tackling willingness seemed to come and go at times. Doesn't really seem like a traditional deep safety and he was used that way a lot.


Their bowl game against Louisville, there was a play that Adams tracked Lamar Jackson down from the opposite side of the field when Jackson took off and ran to his left, and Adams still caught him behind the LOS. It was a thing of beauty.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adams is the best safety and I don't think it's close. Not flying around and making plays? Lol what? That's literally all he does. Not many safeties have as many tackles behind the LOS as he does. His instincts are amazing. Having a safety who can do everything is rare and that's what Adams can do. I hope and pray the Titans take him at 5.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttitansfan4life wrote:
Adams is the best safety and I don't think it's close. Not flying around and making plays? Lol what? That's literally all he does. Not many safeties have as many tackles behind the LOS as he does. His instincts are amazing. Having a safety who can do everything is rare and that's what Adams can do. I hope and pray the Titans take him at 5.


He's a top 15 guy for me. But Hooker is a top 10. Regardless of my sig (made it before he declared)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaliforniaKid7 wrote:
^^^So you guys would say Hooker is a top 15-20 prospect? The next safety off the board after Adams?


Funny enough Raiders need a replacement for Nelson and a buddy for Joseph going forward. But I just don't like Hooker that much at this point.


I really, really like a pair of Hooker and Joseph. Hooker has the range and gives them an interesting and flexible combo like Green Bay
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nelson was very rangy coming out. Made plays on the ball in coverage. Took bad angles in the run game. I remember the one on a Tedd Ginn kick return for a TD where Nelson took one of the worst angles I've seen. He often didn't wrap up but went for the big hit instead. Was nicknamed the eraser because of this. He is closer to hooker than hooker is to earl. Everyone wants to make the earl comparison because he is great and more recent.


One of us is misremembering, and I'm almost positive it wasn't me. Because if you remember, he had a huge spike in interceptions in his final season at Florida and most thought he fell [inappropriate/removed] backwards into them. Fortunately, he still managed to accumulate those interceptions in the NFL. Like you said, he's known for his bit hits.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fell into them? Haha he made great plays against UGA, Bama, and FSU where he was hawking. There's being Rahim Moore who had a bunch of tipped ints and balls thrown right to him... That's not what Reggie Nelson was.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nelson was very rangy coming out. Made plays on the ball in coverage. Took bad angles in the run game. I remember the one on a Tedd Ginn kick return for a TD where Nelson took one of the worst angles I've seen. He often didn't wrap up but went for the big hit instead. Was nicknamed the eraser because of this. He is closer to hooker than hooker is to earl. Everyone wants to make the earl comparison because he is great and more recent.


One of us is misremembering, and I'm almost positive it wasn't me. Because if you remember, he had a huge spike in interceptions in his final season at Florida and most thought he fell [inappropriate/removed] backwards into them. Fortunately, he still managed to accumulate those interceptions in the NFL. Like you said, he's known for his bit hits.


Reggie Nelson was the Gators Center-Fielder. He was amazing in that role. Dude had serious speed, range, and ball-skills. That's why he got the Ints.
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Who are your guys top 5 single high safetys in this class?
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