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.Buzz


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even then, I still don't like the comparison. Tim Williams is more squatty, and not nearly as explosive as Maybin was. Williams is also much better in the power game than Maybin ever was.


Ya, Maybin was a pretty lanky athlete. I got his 40 from Wiki so my bad. But he was a pretty darn good short area athlete and could explode off the LOS. He just wasn't physical enough for the NFL and didn't seem to really enjoy the life.

Williams doesn't really shy away from contact, he just isn't the athlete that his numbers would indicate. Really hate to do it, but he might need a Jarvis Jones comparison. Not as bad an athlete but a guy who really isn't as good as his numbers would indicate.
Williams is an absolutely phenomenal athlete who should test similarly to Vic Beasley. He's also the reason why Leonard Fournette struggled against Alabama. He's a great run defender, he just doesn't get the chance to prove it much for the Crimson Tide (maybe in the dog house?) He played 18-51 percent of snaps for Alabama other than in the LSU game, when he played 69 and absolutely ruined the Tigers up front.


Good to see I'm not alone on an island here with Tim Williams.

What range you think he goes in the draft?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who are the more explosive/disruptive DL prospects in this crop?

I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.

Think Michael Bennett. Doesn't seem have a true DL position, but his ability to disrupt allows him to move along the DL and be very successful.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A TRAIN 89 wrote:
Who are the more explosive/disruptive DL prospects in this crop?

I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.

Think Michael Bennett. Doesn't seem have a true DL position, but his ability to disrupt allows him to move along the DL and be very successful.


Carlos Watkins for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A TRAIN 89 wrote:
Who are the more explosive/disruptive DL prospects in this crop?

I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.

Think Michael Bennett. Doesn't seem have a true DL position, but his ability to disrupt allows him to move along the DL and be very successful.


Solomon Thomas is definitely more Bennett than Watt
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Buzz wrote:
justo wrote:
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Even then, I still don't like the comparison. Tim Williams is more squatty, and not nearly as explosive as Maybin was. Williams is also much better in the power game than Maybin ever was.


Ya, Maybin was a pretty lanky athlete. I got his 40 from Wiki so my bad. But he was a pretty darn good short area athlete and could explode off the LOS. He just wasn't physical enough for the NFL and didn't seem to really enjoy the life.

Williams doesn't really shy away from contact, he just isn't the athlete that his numbers would indicate. Really hate to do it, but he might need a Jarvis Jones comparison. Not as bad an athlete but a guy who really isn't as good as his numbers would indicate.
Williams is an absolutely phenomenal athlete who should test similarly to Vic Beasley. He's also the reason why Leonard Fournette struggled against Alabama. He's a great run defender, he just doesn't get the chance to prove it much for the Crimson Tide (maybe in the dog house?) He played 18-51 percent of snaps for Alabama other than in the LSU game, when he played 69 and absolutely ruined the Tigers up front.


Good to see I'm not alone on an island here with Tim Williams.

What range you think he goes in the draft?
Depends on off-field.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
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Not if they're short. Wink
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jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink
F y'all and your hate for the short arms. Me, Brandon Graham, Clay Matthews and Melvin Ingram are chillin in your backfield.

DeMarcus Walker: Not Good
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink
F y'all and your hate for the short arms. Me, Brandon Graham, Clay Matthews and Melvin Ingram are chillin in your backfield.

DeMarcus Walker: Not Good


If there's anything that Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Mike Daniels, Jurrell Casey, and Grady Jarrett have taught us, it's that explosion and disruption don't amount to anything if you're short. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink
F y'all and your hate for the short arms. Me, Brandon Graham, Clay Matthews and Melvin Ingram are chillin in your backfield.

DeMarcus Walker: Not Good


If there's anything that Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Mike Daniels, Jurrell Casey, and Grady Jarrett have taught us, it's that explosion and disruption don't amount to anything if you're short. Laughing

It is much easier for interior guys than edge guys to get away with it.
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TheRealMcCoy wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink
F y'all and your hate for the short arms. Me, Brandon Graham, Clay Matthews and Melvin Ingram are chillin in your backfield.

DeMarcus Walker: Not Good


If there's anything that Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Mike Daniels, Jurrell Casey, and Grady Jarrett have taught us, it's that explosion and disruption don't amount to anything if you're short. Laughing

It is much easier for interior guys than edge guys to get away with it.


The Rams actually had Donald play LDE at points this year. Donald absolutely abused the RT he went up against. Great players are great players.
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TheRealMcCoy wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink
F y'all and your hate for the short arms. Me, Brandon Graham, Clay Matthews and Melvin Ingram are chillin in your backfield.

DeMarcus Walker: Not Good


If there's anything that Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Mike Daniels, Jurrell Casey, and Grady Jarrett have taught us, it's that explosion and disruption don't amount to anything if you're short. Laughing

It is much easier for interior guys than edge guys to get away with it.
I have yet to meet a DE coach who thinks that allowing a tackle to get to your outside shoulder is a good idea. You should be half-manning a guy anyway, and one arm is always going to be longer than two. Arm length is a farce.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
TheRealMcCoy wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
justo wrote:
A TRAIN 89 wrote:
I think its often tough to project how/where guys play in the NFL, but one trait that usually translates well is explosion/ability to disrupt on regular basis.
dingdingding


Not if they're short. Wink
F y'all and your hate for the short arms. Me, Brandon Graham, Clay Matthews and Melvin Ingram are chillin in your backfield.

DeMarcus Walker: Not Good


If there's anything that Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Mike Daniels, Jurrell Casey, and Grady Jarrett have taught us, it's that explosion and disruption don't amount to anything if you're short. Laughing

It is much easier for interior guys than edge guys to get away with it.
I have yet to meet a DE coach who thinks that allowing a tackle to get to your outside shoulder is a good idea. You should be half-manning a guy anyway, and one arm is always going to be longer than two. Arm length is a farce.

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I'm looking for a good NT for the Falcons to draft. Would like some options at different levels of the draft. I see this position as something that would round out the team and free Grady Jarrett to penetrate. Any help would be much appreciated.
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