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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potential starter in the 6th or 7th? Who are you an expansion team? Almost no valuable starters come from that round and plenty of value add special teamers do. Drafting is about probability and value. In the 6th/7th the value is non-existent so go with probability. And no obviously it isn't a hard and fast rule, there are always exceptions.

Oh and a gunner and long snapper is a starter.
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Chiefs go for athletic types you can mold into players. Chiefs GM likes drafting international players in these rounds.

Special teamer/developmentals. Guys you know you can't get as a UDFA. Good place to look for guard/center candidates. Sometimes you get lucky.[list=][/list]
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MemphisEagles wrote:
91jmay wrote:
As mentioned above specialised role players, and special teamers. Get your coverage and return unit better by drafting stud gunners.


So if you set up your board, and there's a potential starter who falls, you go with the gunner or long snapper because that's what late round picks are good for? Just ignore all the actual starters that come from those rounds, and all the "special teams aces" who contribute nothing?

To me, that's a dumb strategy. You make a board, you stick to it


Oh?
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What do you think it would cost to get Anthony Davis?
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I think with 6th and 7th round picks the best things you can do are

1.Draft the UDFA players like a La'el Collin or Vontaze Burfict and get their rights

2.Draft the injury dropped players

3.Trade for undervalued Vets IE Anquan Boldin\Brandon Marshall type players.
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49ers got Gabbert for what, a 7th? And everyone was laughing at them. That trade was brilliant in hindsight.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

91jmay wrote:
Potential starter in the 6th or 7th? Who are you an expansion team? Almost no valuable starters come from that round and plenty of value add special teamers do. Drafting is about probability and value. In the 6th/7th the value is non-existent so go with probability. And no obviously it isn't a hard and fast rule, there are always exceptions.

Oh and a gunner and long snapper is a starter.


Gunner and long snapper are not traditionally known as "starters." Most people consider starters as players who play significant snaps on offense or defense. Not many consider Seyi Ajirotutu a starter.

And chances are most players you take in later rounds will bust. That doesn't mean you just stop looking for good players.

In 2011 for example, Byron Maxwell, Brandon Fusco, Charles Clay, Tyrod Taylor, Jason Kelce, Virgil Green, Derek Newton, and Malcolm Smith were all taken in the sixth round and on. I'm personally glad the Eagles went for a potential starter in Kelce than a gunner or some special teams player that supposedly there is a smaller chance of busting. And let's not act like those special teams guys are a sure thing either. For every Dwayne Harris, you get numerous Brian Rolles
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CalhounLambeau wrote:
Exactly. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. You just do your thing. Nothing different about late-round picks.


Do you truly believe that teams have 256 players with draftable grades?
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Exactly. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. You just do your thing. Nothing different about late-round picks.


Do you truly believe that teams have 256 players with draftable grades?

Many teams have a second board they work off of, an undrafted board. Players that didn't get a draftable grade but work schematically, etc.
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Many teams have a second board they work off of, an undrafted board. Players that didn't get a draftable grade but work schematically, etc.


That's my point, which is why I think it disingenuous when people talk about boards as they're these black and white rankings. Players are largely grouped into tiers, and you pick from the highest ranked player in that tier available. That late, you're largely going with guys that either you or your high scouts are pounding the table for. Guys you want to make sure that you get into camp and get an extended look at.
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I'd be inclined to take some of the top talents that fall for character issues. Take La'el Collins last year. I understand the issues surrounding him, but there's no denying the talent. Why not burn a 7th to secure his services instead of letting him pick his spot?
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CWood21 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Many teams have a second board they work off of, an undrafted board. Players that didn't get a draftable grade but work schematically, etc.


That's my point, which is why I think it disingenuous when people talk about boards as they're these black and white rankings. Players are largely grouped into tiers, and you pick from the highest ranked player in that tier available. That late, you're largely going with guys that either you or your high scouts are pounding the table for. Guys you want to make sure that you get into camp and get an extended look at.

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smetana34 wrote:
I'd be inclined to take some of the top talents that fall for character issues. Take La'el Collins last year. I understand the issues surrounding him, but there's no denying the talent. Why not burn a 7th to secure his services instead of letting him pick his spot?


He was threatening to hold out. His situation was unfortunate and unique.
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CalhounLambeau wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Exactly. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. You just do your thing. Nothing different about late-round picks.


Do you truly believe that teams have 256 players with draftable grades?

Many teams have a second board they work off of, an undrafted board. Players that didn't get a draftable grade but work schematically, etc.


Yup, teams only have 120-150 players at most that are "draftable" and the second board is for camp bodies that you might bring in and hope they work out, some teams have even shorter boards. Coaches and execs from the Bill Belichick tree are famed for only having around 75 players on their board and that's why they often make strange reaches.

I split the draft into 3 sections

Rounds 1-3: These guys are NFL starters. Maybe not necessarily day one but if I draft a guy in the top 100 picks I want a guy who's starting calibre by his second or third season at least.

Round 4-5: Mid rounds. In these rounds the guys you draft might never be starters but you should find productive rotational players and high end backups

Round 6-7: Late rounds. Your top 150 board is likely decimated by this point so these picks should be used for just tabbing your favourite priority free agents
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CWood21 wrote:
CalhounLambeau wrote:
Exactly. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th. You just do your thing. Nothing different about late-round picks.


Do you truly believe that teams have 256 players with draftable grades?
They don't need to. Players that they won't view as draftable will get picked anyway, so they will likely still have guys in that top 150 still there at the end of the draft
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