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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Best way to utilize 6th & 7th round picks? Reply with quote

What's the best way to maximize 6th and 7th round picks? The odds are stacked against you finding Tom Brady or Antonio Brown. Should you use these picks in a trade for a veteran? Should package them as part of a trade up? Or should you take "lotto" picks on small school guys your area scouts love who may not have been invited to Indy?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would try and trade them forward for a better round pick the following year or go after a high potential guy with an injury or off the field history.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their is one best way to use them IMO.

Specialized, effective, but limited role players.

Examples: Blocking TEs, slot WRs/returners, nickel/dime CBs, Utility OLs.

Player molds: Jim Dray, Dwayne Harris, Quandre Diggs, J'Marcus Webb.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can get a quality vet for those picks than do it. Other than that just stick to your board and get the best player.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upside players with enough special teams ability to make the team.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would use late round picks in the following way.

1. Draft steals. You know those guys you had projected to go in the third or fourth rounds but fell for one reason or another? Draft them. A good example of something I think would have fallen into this category was Packers wide receiver Jeff Janis. He was incredibly productive in college and put up very good workout numbers, but.... well, he went to Saginaw Valley State. Another less successful example was 2015 Cleveland Browns 7th round draft pick Ifo Ekpre-Olomu. A player who was once considered to be a first round propsect until he was severely injured. Just the same, so late in the draft I think it's worth the risk.

2. Special teams. If you draft five quality starters in seven rounds, you have done your job. If this includes kick returner, punt returner, long snapper, kicker or punter, as long as you've found a good one, you've proverbially won at drafting.

3. Depth. Few teams ever go through the season unscathed. If you can find a decent backup player, you've done your job. I will put an addendum to this however. Make sure it's at least somewhere the player you are drafting has a chance to contribute. If you have a running back corps like Arizona (imagine for argument's sake they were signed long term instead of one year deals minus David Johnson), drafting a running back who isn't particularly good in special teams isn't going to provide anything to anyone.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the risk worth the reward of a late QB? I know they hardly ever pan out, and Orlovsky would be considered a "hit" for QBs, but Pats were able to take Cassel in 7th and trade him for a 2nd round pick. I know the odds of finding even Matt Cassel are slim. But is the risk worth the reward once you're past the 150 or so picks?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Their is one best way to use them IMO.

Specialized, effective, but limited role players.

Examples: Blocking TEs, slot WRs/returners, nickel/dime CBs, Utility OLs.

Player molds: Jim Dray, Dwayne Harris, Quandre Diggs, J'Marcus Webb.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Planet theory, players that dropped for character concerns (or others) that your scouts have vetted, speed players and special teams.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So teams only rate about 150 players (5 rounds) as "draftable" players so their 6th and 7th rounders are about tabbing free agents that they think they might miss out on when the UDFA wire opens

Quite often you'll see teams target positions of strength to fill out their camp rosters because they know that the good UDFAs will reject them, as the Rams did with Michael Sam.

I'd look for good special teamers and depth, if you need a kicker or punter you draft them late.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting for the sarcastic Tom Brady mention...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Project QBs that have an intriguing skill set.

2. Specialists.

3. Rotational, depth players that can create some competition for the 2nd/3rd stringers.

4. Risk-reward picks. Talented players that played in smalls school or were troubled in college.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone mentioned look for the steals. Moneyball looking at players with elite athleticism, decent production (perhaps against lesser comps) and high character.

Jeff Janis type players are the ones I'd be stacking. Some won't work out, but some will and in a few years time my team's gonna be stacked with some of these diamonds in the rough.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specialized, effective but limited role players

OR

Elite measurable guys that drop for various reasons (Injury, competition level, character issues, underachiever)


For the record, I really don't believe that late round QB's are worth the pick. The hit rate is so low, its basically throwing a pick away.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go for the guys who are very athletic but not great fundamentally or whatever the case. Bit of a risk but it's only a late pick you're risking. For instance Brandon Coleman for the Saints. He had all the measurables but his hands were questionable and his movement was stiff. But after a year on the PS he turned into a nice contributor. Like the cliches goes, you can't teach height or speed.
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