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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders/why-defensive-tackle-isnt-a-big-need-for-the-raiders/

Interesting take on the interior of the dline. I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT. Looking at the snaps of the DLine I think it possible a healthy Edwards takes the excess Ward snaps and developing Lathum take the McGee snaps.


For me it mainly depends on the way the draft board falls, I'd hate to pass up on value if the situation presents itself..


Good point, if a guys falls to us we're not strong enough in virtually any area to ignore a big talent falling into our laps. When Reggie has had success he's let the draft come to him for value. They obviously like some of the young guys we have though and they should improve with experience.


I agree with the BPA point. I was more referring to the article pointing out that DT may not be a need in the eyes of the org like many on fans consider it.
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NightTrainLane wrote:
Darbsk wrote:
Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders/why-defensive-tackle-isnt-a-big-need-for-the-raiders/

Interesting take on the interior of the dline. I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT. Looking at the snaps of the DLine I think it possible a healthy Edwards takes the excess Ward snaps and developing Lathum take the McGee snaps.


For me it mainly depends on the way the draft board falls, I'd hate to pass up on value if the situation presents itself..


Good point, if a guys falls to us we're not strong enough in virtually any area to ignore a big talent falling into our laps. When Reggie has had success he's let the draft come to him for value. They obviously like some of the young guys we have though and they should improve with experience.


I agree with the BPA point. I was more referring to the article pointing out that DT may not be a need in the eyes of the org like many on fans consider it.


I don't agree with passing on value at the position on the big board. It's not a wise thing to do.
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Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Darbsk wrote:
Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders/why-defensive-tackle-isnt-a-big-need-for-the-raiders/

Interesting take on the interior of the dline. I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT. Looking at the snaps of the DLine I think it possible a healthy Edwards takes the excess Ward snaps and developing Lathum take the McGee snaps.


For me it mainly depends on the way the draft board falls, I'd hate to pass up on value if the situation presents itself..


Good point, if a guys falls to us we're not strong enough in virtually any area to ignore a big talent falling into our laps. When Reggie has had success he's let the draft come to him for value. They obviously like some of the young guys we have though and they should improve with experience.


I agree with the BPA point. I was more referring to the article pointing out that DT may not be a need in the eyes of the org like many on fans consider it.


I don't agree with passing on value at the position on the big board. It's not a wise thing to do.


Me either hence my statement about BPA. But the article was talking about the theory that we wouldn't list DT as a need.
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NightTrainLane wrote:
Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Darbsk wrote:
Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders/why-defensive-tackle-isnt-a-big-need-for-the-raiders/

Interesting take on the interior of the dline. I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT. Looking at the snaps of the DLine I think it possible a healthy Edwards takes the excess Ward snaps and developing Lathum take the McGee snaps.


For me it mainly depends on the way the draft board falls, I'd hate to pass up on value if the situation presents itself..


Good point, if a guys falls to us we're not strong enough in virtually any area to ignore a big talent falling into our laps. When Reggie has had success he's let the draft come to him for value. They obviously like some of the young guys we have though and they should improve with experience.


I agree with the BPA point. I was more referring to the article pointing out that DT may not be a need in the eyes of the org like many on fans consider it.


I don't agree with passing on value at the position on the big board. It's not a wise thing to do.


Me either hence my statement about BPA. But the article was talking about the theory that we wouldn't list DT as a need.


That wasn't your statement.

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I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT.


That would be going against the board deferring to a lesser graded player. That carries a lot of risk imo.
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Me and my boy was talking and he ask me if you was the GM and the Cleveland Browns called and said they would give you there first three picks for Khalil Mack would you pull the trigger.I can't lie at first i thought about for a minute🤔,then I said hell no lol he called me crazy and he said he will make that trade.So if you was the GM would you make that trade ?
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Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Darbsk wrote:
Synyster wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/raiders/why-defensive-tackle-isnt-a-big-need-for-the-raiders/

Interesting take on the interior of the dline. I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT. Looking at the snaps of the DLine I think it possible a healthy Edwards takes the excess Ward snaps and developing Lathum take the McGee snaps.


For me it mainly depends on the way the draft board falls, I'd hate to pass up on value if the situation presents itself..


Good point, if a guys falls to us we're not strong enough in virtually any area to ignore a big talent falling into our laps. When Reggie has had success he's let the draft come to him for value. They obviously like some of the young guys we have though and they should improve with experience.


I agree with the BPA point. I was more referring to the article pointing out that DT may not be a need in the eyes of the org like many on fans consider it.


I don't agree with passing on value at the position on the big board. It's not a wise thing to do.


Me either hence my statement about BPA. But the article was talking about the theory that we wouldn't list DT as a need.


That wasn't your statement.

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I think it's highly possible that we don't add any high value players (draft or FA) at DT.


That would be going against the board deferring to a lesser graded player. That carries a lot of risk imo.


I was talking about the possibility of that being the teams thinking in the article and you know that. Just because they may not consider DT a need doesn't mean they will skip a far superior player and it's not how I would run a draft.

Now if you wanna get into what I actually think the team would do, it's that I believe they weight players value and team need when selecting players. How much each is considered I think depends on the players involved, the draft position and other opportunities to add value later in the draft.
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BABYLON 5 wrote:
Me and my boy was talking and he ask me if you was the GM and the Cleveland Browns called and said they would give you there first three picks for Khalil Mack would you pull the trigger.I can't lie at first i thought about for a minute🤔,then I said hell no lol he called me crazy and he said he will make that trade.So if you was the GM would you make that trade ?


My immediate answer would be no because of the leadership and foundation Mack has put down here.

Then I thought about something a smart man told me. Not considering every option is the ultimate mistake.

So, if we had the 1st, 12th and 33rd pick we could potentially take Garrett, an ILB (Riddick or Foster), safety (Hooker or Peppers), rb (Cook or McCaffery) or corner (Lattimore or Humphrey) and then another starter level player. That is a hard choice. You have to consider the affects on the locker room. They would be losing their co-leader and a DPOY. Pay Mack and keep building thru him or add a guy that may end up being better plus 2 other starters, all on rookie deals.

It would take big Bill Belichick type balls to pull the trigger. I bring up BB because it's the type of deal that he always makes and he is always coaching still in late January.

I don't think I could do it but I know my balls aren't Belichick size so there is that.
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BABYLON 5 wrote:
Me and my boy was talking and he ask me if you was the GM and the Cleveland Browns called and said they would give you there first three picks for Khalil Mack would you pull the trigger.I can't lie at first i thought about for a minute🤔,then I said hell no lol he called me crazy and he said he will make that trade.So if you was the GM would you make that trade ?


I wouldn't trade Mack for 3 1sts and JJ Watt. He, along with Carr, is the foundation of our future and a generational talent. Wouldnt give them up for anything...
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NightTrainLane wrote:
BABYLON 5 wrote:
Me and my boy was talking and he ask me if you was the GM and the Cleveland Browns called and said they would give you there first three picks for Khalil Mack would you pull the trigger.I can't lie at first i thought about for a minute🤔,then I said hell no lol he called me crazy and he said he will make that trade.So if you was the GM would you make that trade ?


My immediate answer would be no because of the leadership and foundation Mack has put down here.

Then I thought about something a smart man told me. Not considering every option is the ultimate mistake.

So, if we had the 1st, 12th and 33rd pick we could potentially take Garrett, an ILB (Riddick or Foster), safety (Hooker or Peppers), rb (Cook or McCaffery) or corner (Lattimore or Humphrey) and then another starter level player. That is a hard choice. You have to consider the affects on the locker room. They would be losing their co-leader and a DPOY. Pay Mack and keep building thru him or add a guy that may end up being better plus 2 other starters, all on rookie deals.

It would take big Bill Belichick type balls to pull the trigger. I bring up BB because it's the type of deal that he always makes and he is always coaching still in late January.

I don't think I could do it but I know my balls aren't Belichick size so there is that.


You'd have to at least consider the trade. But ultimately I think it actually all comes down to QB and we have one already. The only reason I can see to take a huge gamble like that would be to acquire a specific player - a franchise QB. You'd be basically trading Mack a proven DPoTY for a potential Pro Bowler in Garrett plus a couple of other highly touted players who may or may not work out. If we're in rebuilding mode, we'd probably consider but we're actually in a position of strength - 12-4 last year with a young nucleus and we're not in cap trouble. I just don't think there's the need for an all or nothing type trade at this moment - now is the time to build gradually from a strong foundation. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush so as to speak Smile

It would be interesting on Madden though for sure!
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NightTrainLane wrote:
BABYLON 5 wrote:
Me and my boy was talking and he ask me if you was the GM and the Cleveland Browns called and said they would give you there first three picks for Khalil Mack would you pull the trigger.I can't lie at first i thought about for a minute🤔,then I said hell no lol he called me crazy and he said he will make that trade.So if you was the GM would you make that trade ?


My immediate answer would be no because of the leadership and foundation Mack has put down here.

Then I thought about something a smart man told me. Not considering every option is the ultimate mistake.

So, if we had the 1st, 12th and 33rd pick we could potentially take Garrett, an ILB (Riddick or Foster), safety (Hooker or Peppers), rb (Cook or McCaffery) or corner (Lattimore or Humphrey) and then another starter level player. That is a hard choice. You have to consider the affects on the locker room. They would be losing their co-leader and a DPOY. Pay Mack and keep building thru him or add a guy that may end up being better plus 2 other starters, all on rookie deals.

It would take big Bill Belichick type balls to pull the trigger. I bring up BB because it's the type of deal that he always makes and he is always coaching still in late January.

I don't think I could do it but I know my balls aren't Belichick size so there is that.
Or this could end up the DJ Hayden draft class and everybody is a bust, and you given up your all pro.
But if I came away with Garrett, Foster, and Melifonwu I might do it.
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raidr4life wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
BABYLON 5 wrote:
Me and my boy was talking and he ask me if you was the GM and the Cleveland Browns called and said they would give you there first three picks for Khalil Mack would you pull the trigger.I can't lie at first i thought about for a minute🤔,then I said hell no lol he called me crazy and he said he will make that trade.So if you was the GM would you make that trade ?


My immediate answer would be no because of the leadership and foundation Mack has put down here.

Then I thought about something a smart man told me. Not considering every option is the ultimate mistake.

So, if we had the 1st, 12th and 33rd pick we could potentially take Garrett, an ILB (Riddick or Foster), safety (Hooker or Peppers), rb (Cook or McCaffery) or corner (Lattimore or Humphrey) and then another starter level player. That is a hard choice. You have to consider the affects on the locker room. They would be losing their co-leader and a DPOY. Pay Mack and keep building thru him or add a guy that may end up being better plus 2 other starters, all on rookie deals.

It would take big Bill Belichick type balls to pull the trigger. I bring up BB because it's the type of deal that he always makes and he is always coaching still in late January.

I don't think I could do it but I know my balls aren't Belichick size so there is that.
Or this could end up the DJ Hayden draft class and everybody is a bust, and you given up your all pro.
But if I came away with Garrett, Foster, and Melifonwu I might do it.


Of course it could but I have more faith it the fully formed personal dept and coaching staff to make better draft picks than the 2012-2013 version did.

Yeah, tough call because you fill 3 holes (hopefully on defense). Garrett being the most important piece. He looks like he will be a top 10 edge player for a decade. While it's a gamble to swap a DPOY for an NFL untested guy, the added value of the 12th and 33rd is huge especially in this loaded draft.
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I wouldn't do it. Screw them. 3 1sts all this year isn't enough value. Besides it's 2 1sts and one 2nd.

I am trying to make sense of the Herschel Walker trade, and it looks like they essentially gave up 3 1sts and 3 2nds for him. Cancelling out the players and the later round picks.
It's fair to say the 33rd pick is a 2nd rounder. So if they offered next year's first and the first from the year after that I'd do it.

2017 1, 12, 33
2018 1st
2019 1st, 2nd

Mack is a DPOY, all these draft picks aren't. It's like the difference in value between a winning lottery ticket and a handful of unscratched ones.

Besides, they would never do that. Even then I am not even sure it is worth it. Out of these 6 picks there's a great chance a couple bust and then out of those 3 guys what are the chances any of them become a DPOY - very slim. #1 players sometimes don't become what they should. #12s bust all the time. It's advantageous to the cap, but paying Mack is manageable. And the fan uproar despite any compensation would be bad. It's the type of trade a GM can't make unless the compensation is completely absurd.
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holyghost wrote:
I wouldn't do it. Screw them. 3 1sts all this year isn't enough value. Besides it's 2 1sts and one 2nd.

I am trying to make sense of the Herschel Walker trade, and it looks like they essentially gave up 3 1sts and 3 2nds for him. Cancelling out the players and the later round picks.
It's fair to say the 33rd pick is a 2nd rounder. So if they offered next year's first and the first from the year after that I'd do it.

2017 1, 12, 33
2018 1st
2019 1st, 2nd

Mack is a DPOY, all these draft picks aren't. It's like the difference in value between a winning lottery ticket and a handful of unscratched ones.

Besides, they would never do that. Even then I am not even sure it is worth it. Out of these 6 picks there's a great chance a couple bust and then out of those 3 guys what are the chances any of them become a DPOY - very slim. #1 players sometimes don't become what they should. #12s bust all the time. It's advantageous to the cap, but paying Mack is manageable. And the fan uproar despite any compensation would be bad. It's the type of trade a GM can't make unless the compensation is completely absurd.


You guys are crazy. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

There's a very good chance that garret will be better than Mack alone; his college tape definitely suggest he will be IMO.

Than you get a 2nd and a 3rd on top of it. I'm in all that.

Give me:

1)Myles Garret
2) someone great will drop Lamp, Corey Davis, Obi, if nothing else take Engram
3) Sidney Jones

Add that with our picks of

1) Reddick
2) Demarcus Walker
3) Duke Riley

I love Mack but you better believe I'd do that; and I'm sure Mckenzoe would too.
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Let's trade Mack for a bunch of picks... we may even land a player like Mack!
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RaidersAreOne wrote:
Let's trade Mack for a bunch of picks... we may even land a player like Mack!


Lol, I get what you saying ; but Myles Garret is going to be a stud. As longs as he stays healthy (no reason suggest he wouldn't) he's going to be a great player. If Mack and Garret were coming out the same year, I think every team in the NFL would choose Garret. And he's a competitor, he had no reason to do drills or run at his pro day, but he did. He he's going to be a top DE in the NFL, no doubt.
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