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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul-mac wrote:
I get the feeling he's gonna be the next Ryan Nassib/Connor Cook type guy that everyone moves up to the late first in their mocks then he ends up being like a 4th round pick.


I reckon maybe just Trubisky in the first then the two Deseans in the second round. Seems like a real down year for QBs.


He isn't going to the Green Room, and I don't believe he was invited, so that's a sign that Mahomes is not rated as highly by the NFL as by the Draft community. I'm low on him.
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I just don't get Trubisky love. The kid can play, but he is not worth a 1st overall pick and that is how nfl sees him. I remember time ago QB's considered 1st overall were actually good, and totally worth the pick, let alone if they succeeded or not but they were real value. Now is not even considered whether they played multiple seasons or won multiple game.

I usually don't come with comments like these because I believe they are stupid, but I believe Trubisky is just being overhype because he is white. People will bash me for this, but I strongly believe he being white is making everyone give attention to him.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


so aaron rodgers would have been a bad pick at #1 if he sat for 3 years even?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

incognito_man wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


so aaron rodgers would have been a bad pick at #1 if he sat for 3 years even?


Carson Palmer sat for a year as well

Came out his second year and started balling
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incognito_man wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


so aaron rodgers would have been a bad pick at #1 if he sat for 3 years even?
He wouldn't have been the same player if he wasn't able to learn from Mike McCarthey and Tom Clements with Brett Favre as an example for 3 years. He isn't a good example for any argument you can make. If he were drafted #1 overall that year, he wouldn't be the Aaron Rodgers you see today. He wouldn't have sat for 1 year, let alone 3.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul-mac wrote:
I get the feeling he's gonna be the next Ryan Nassib/Connor Cook type guy that everyone moves up to the late first in their mocks then he ends up being like a 4th round pick.


I reckon maybe just Trubisky in the first then the two Deseans in the second round. Seems like a real down year for QBs.


We're less than 2 weeks from the draft. Right now he's being talked about as a top 15 lock. He isn't going to fall out of the 1st much less the 4th round. Come on man. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brownie man wrote:
incognito_man wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


so aaron rodgers would have been a bad pick at #1 if he sat for 3 years even?


Carson Palmer sat for a year as well

Came out his second year and started balling
The difference between he and Mahomes is that Palmer didn't need to sit out his first year. The Bengals had Jon Kitna who was good enough to play and Marvin Lewis was in his first year as the head coach. He could afford to develop Palmer, he wasn't going to be judged for the first season. Palmer didn't sit because he wasn't ready, he sat because they decided it would be better for him. You don't sit Mahomes his first year because it would be better for him, you sit him because you have to, because he isn't ready. That's a significant difference.


Also, I love how Palmer's rookie season counts as "balling", but Drew Brees, Eli Manning, and Peyton Manning "struggled" in their first seasons. I guess whatever fits the argument must be true Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDOG_det wrote:
You don't sit Mahomes his first year because it would be better for him, you sit him because you have to, because he isn't ready. That's a significant difference.


I'm not going to argue Mahomes IS ready, because frankly it depends on where he gets drafted, his supporting cast, etc.

But how would sitting not be better for him as opposed to any other rookie QB?

Also, would ANYONE have said that Dak is ready to start his rookie year going into the draft last year?

Would it surprise me if Mahomes sat all of 2017? No.
Would it surprise me if Mahomes played and played terribly? No.
Would it surprise me if Mahomes played and balled out? Also no.

Let's see where he gets drafted to, lets see what he looks like after mini camps, OTA's and Training Camp, lets see what he looks like in preseason. Then you can (probably) tell me if he's ready to play his rookie year.

Hell, Carson Wentz wasn't going to play last year until Bridgewater got hurt and they shipped Bradford off.
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DalCowboyzRule wrote:
But how would sitting not be better for him as opposed to any other rookie QB?
Not what I'm arguing.

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Also, would ANYONE have said that Dak is ready to start his rookie year going into the draft last year?
How is that relevant? Also, yes, there actually was someone who liked Dak but he is a villain on this forum so I won't mention him by name.

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Let's see where he gets drafted to, lets see what he looks like after mini camps, OTA's and Training Camp, lets see what he looks like in preseason. Then you can (probably) tell me if he's ready to play his rookie year.
There is one team that might be able to develop him, and it would have to be a multi-year process. I feel pretty safe right now saying he won't be ready. It would be quite the miracle if he improved at such a rapid pace to actually be good.

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Hell, Carson Wentz wasn't going to play last year until Bridgewater got hurt and they shipped Bradford off.
Yeah...I don't believe the idea that Wentz wasn't going to play. He also wasn't going to play over Chase Daniel if Bradford got injured, but he did start over Daniel when Bradford got traded...so...yeah that report was BS
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


Because you think he's a great QB down the line. What's one year if it means getting a franchise QB?

Would you refuse to take Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre if you knew you had to sit them for at least a year?
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jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


Because you think he's a great QB down the line. What's one year if it means getting a franchise QB?

Would you refuse to take Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre if you knew you had to sit them for at least a year?


Yes unless I'm the GM of Green Bay.

Send Brett Favre to another team saaaayyyy Atlanta maybe and he is Johnny Manziel with a stronger arm.

Send Aaron Rodgers to another team saaaayyyy the San Francisco 49ers and he gets to deal with a perpetual coaching carousel.

Do you guys think because a QB succeeded somewhere and became a hall of gamer he would have done it anywhere?

From 2003 to 2004 the San Diego Chargers almost completely overhauled their offense. They had five new starting olinemen and a new top WR plus the emergence of Antonio Gates from one year to the next. You think Brees would have developed just as he did, without that?

Tom Brady is the best QB of all time. Do you think he would have been that had he been drafted by the inaugural Texans instead of the 2000 Patriots?

Add to any of these question the option to sit a year (or two!) if you think it'll help justify a yes. But please do actually explain why you think they would.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
IDOG_det wrote:
Jeezla wrote:
I'd take Mahomes #1 overall. And then I'd sit him for a year
How does this make sense?


How does it not make sense?
why would you spend the #1 pick on a player who isn't good enough to play?


Because you think he's a great QB down the line.
What's one year if it means getting a franchise QB?

Would you refuse to take Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre if you knew you had to sit them for at least a year?
not if he isn't good enough to play in the first year.
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