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raidr4life


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
MrOaktown_56 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Agree with Davis and McMillan. For me, I'm hoping for:

1. Obi
2. McMillan
3. CB


Typically, you and I have been similar in our big boards over the years. Odd we're so far apart this year.


I think that while you call these guys JAG, which is fine, I can respect the fact that you try to justify everything you say, sometimes having a guy who is dependable and does enough is good enough.

Last year, we had horrible LB play from malcolm smith and even getting average play at that spot would drastically improve the defense.

McMillan doesn't pop off the screen, but he's smart, strong, and dependable. Obi is similar in that he has a predetermined skillset that can be very valuable, but he's not gonna make splash plays. For the Raiders, covering tight ends is a huge issue and SB88 wants a guy who can cover tight ends and take that matchup away. Obi does it very well.

10 years ago, he wouldn't be as valuable because he's not a hard hitter with incredible physicality, but his ability to cover is invaluable when you go against a team with a guy like Martellus Bennett, or Rob Gronkowski and having a safety with the length and speed to take away vertical routes versus tight ends can be invaluable when dropping a backer underneath, or in different coverage packages.

If you like Peppers, Budda Baker, or Davis, I don't blame you because I do too. I'm just looking at their perspective as well.


Why would you draft a player in the first who's not going to make splash plays? And yes, covering TEs is an issue. Drafting a "tall" safety doesn't have to be the answer.
See that's your opinion that he won't make splash plays.
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raidr4life


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver&Black88 wrote:
Agree with Davis and McMillan. For me, I'm hoping for:

1. Obi
2. McMillan
3. CB
3. Jourdan Lewis
Jackpot!
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jlieberum1985


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Agree with Davis and McMillan. For me, I'm hoping for:

1. Obi
2. McMillan
3. CB
3. Jourdan Lewis
Jackpot!


we're going to need a new thread since it will be over 100 pages so...

last year, we drafted FS/SS, DE/DT, DE/OLB

this year, we need MLB, CB/S, true pass rusher DT

i would say depending which CB or S we draft, might move Sean Smith to safety or bench Nelson
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jlieberum1985


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another post, if we resign Perry Riley and pick up Zach Brown. we would have gone different direction in the 1st round not drafting a linebacker

seeing the last 2 years, drafting Edwards and Ward playing DE/DT. i don't think raiders will draft defensive lineman in the first 2 picks this year. look for raiders to draft either Mixon, OT like Robinson, LB Foster or Davis, CB or S depending who available
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the draft when we have a clear picture about our defensive players I'm going to make a new write up about our defense and I will put that in the new Oak Def topic.
I started this one, so if it is OK with everyone I would like to start the vol 2 also. I would like to give that a quality first post like I did with this back in 2015.
I hope everyone is OK with it and can wait for a week or so for the new thread.
R
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
After the draft when we have a clear picture about our defensive players I'm going to make a new write up about our defense and I will put that in the new Oak Def topic.
I started this one, so if it is OK with everyone I would like to start the vol 2 also. I would like to give that a quality first post like I did with this back in 2015.
I hope everyone is OK with it and can wait for a week or so for the new thread.
R


i just read your 1st post, i wonder how our defense look like if we draft Williams instead Cooper that year?
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SBXISBXVSBXVIII


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlieberum1985 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
After the draft when we have a clear picture about our defensive players I'm going to make a new write up about our defense and I will put that in the new Oak Def topic.
I started this one, so if it is OK with everyone I would like to start the vol 2 also. I would like to give that a quality first post like I did with this back in 2015.
I hope everyone is OK with it and can wait for a week or so for the new thread.
R


i just read your 1st post, i wonder how our defense look like if we draft Williams instead Cooper that year?

Show us with a depth chart
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SBXISBXVSBXVIII wrote:
jlieberum1985 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
After the draft when we have a clear picture about our defensive players I'm going to make a new write up about our defense and I will put that in the new Oak Def topic.
I started this one, so if it is OK with everyone I would like to start the vol 2 also. I would like to give that a quality first post like I did with this back in 2015.
I hope everyone is OK with it and can wait for a week or so for the new thread.
R


i just read your 1st post, i wonder how our defense look like if we draft Williams instead Cooper that year?

Show us with a depth chart


we wouldn't draft Edwards and Ward in the 2nd round if we draft Williams that year, having Mack and Williams on the same line would be crazy. maybe he will join us in 2-3 years when he get tired of playing with Jets lol
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlieberum1985 wrote:
raidr4life wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Agree with Davis and McMillan. For me, I'm hoping for:

1. Obi
2. McMillan
3. CB
3. Jourdan Lewis
Jackpot!


we're going to need a new thread since it will be over 100 pages so...

last year, we drafted FS/SS, DE/DT, DE/OLB

this year, we need MLB, CB/S, true pass rusher DT

i would say depending which CB or S we draft, might move Sean Smith to safety or bench Nelson



Sorry wrong thread
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SBXISBXVSBXVIII wrote:
jlieberum1985 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
After the draft when we have a clear picture about our defensive players I'm going to make a new write up about our defense and I will put that in the new Oak Def topic.
I started this one, so if it is OK with everyone I would like to start the vol 2 also. I would like to give that a quality first post like I did with this back in 2015.
I hope everyone is OK with it and can wait for a week or so for the new thread.
R


i just read your 1st post, i wonder how our defense look like if we draft Williams instead Cooper that year?

Show us with a depth chart
He's not EA
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/24/nfl-draft-inside-story-of-how-gm-reggie-mckenzie-got-both-khalil-mack-and-derek-carr/

i found this on #raiders at twitter search and it's a good read

Quote:
“Do you want Jadaveon Clowney?,” Davis asked.

McKenzie’s reply: “No. If I move up, I’m going to get Khalil Mack.”


he even thought about trading up to #1 to get mack Shocked

if we did that, we wouldn't get derek carr either. good thing those teams (texans, bills, browns, vikings passed them)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so...

anything with aldon smith?
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jlieberum1985


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raiderrocker18 wrote:
so...

anything with aldon smith?


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19241984/martavis-bryant-conditionally-cleared-preseason-participation-drug-suspension

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19242589/daryl-washington-arizona-cardinals-reinstated-nfl-2014-suspension

where the hell is aldon smith? this is BS
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big_palooka


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlieberum1985 wrote:
raiderrocker18 wrote:
so...

anything with aldon smith?


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19241984/martavis-bryant-conditionally-cleared-preseason-participation-drug-suspension

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19242589/daryl-washington-arizona-cardinals-reinstated-nfl-2014-suspension

where the hell is aldon smith? this is BS


It's BS that he can't stay out of trouble while suspended? Really?!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
jlieberum1985 wrote:
raiderrocker18 wrote:
so...

anything with aldon smith?


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19241984/martavis-bryant-conditionally-cleared-preseason-participation-drug-suspension

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19242589/daryl-washington-arizona-cardinals-reinstated-nfl-2014-suspension

where the hell is aldon smith? this is BS


It's BS that he can't stay out of trouble while suspended? Really?!


last time i check, it was his gf driving and aldon never got arrested

you can say aldon image with us is better than his time with 49ers...
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