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NightTrainLane


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NightTrainLane wrote:
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I can see us running more one gap with upgrades at those positions. The 2 gap scheme is meant to cover up weaknesses in the middle of the defense.


Rolni wrote:

I disagree here with you.
I think 1 gap and 2 gap schemes are different animals and you don't play 2 gap when you don't have personel for 1 gap. This is not how it goes.


Huh?

Rolni wrote:

I think a 2 gap scheme is harder on the players. Both pshisically and mentally. They have more things to think through, they have more responsibilities. It is just a different role.
Also this is why a 2gap scheme needs a longer "install time".


I agree with you. And our struggles at times in the run game with certain players on the field will see us dumb down a bit on the dline AT TIMES next year.

Rolni wrote:

JDR is a 2 gap guy IMO, so is Norton with his Seattle roots. I think if Norton stays we stick with the 2 gap scheme.

I would welcome an agressive 1 gap scheme as I said before, since we have good personel for that IMO.


Once again I agree. I think with the return of Mario and upgrades at the ILB position that we will see next season, we will still see 2 gap being the main system but I think they could mix in 1 gap. That's all. Not trying to start a whole quote thread haha.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Not the whole picture of the defense.


32nd in yards/play.

Pass D

24th in passing yards/game.
Tied 30th in yards/pass attempts.
Tied 20th in passing TDs allowed.
32nd in 20+ yards pass plays allowed.
Tied 31st in 40+ yards pass plays allowed.
32nd in sacks.
19th in passer rating against.

Run D
23rd in rushing yards/game
25th in yards/run
25th in rushing TDs allowed
15th in 20+ yards runs allowed
31st in 40+ yards runs allowed

The whole picture says it's a poor defense. The only positive was our ability to create turnovers.


We can both go thru and pick the stats and rankings that we want to highlight. I'm not arguing that the defense is the great. Just that rankings aren't everything.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NightTrainLane wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Not the whole picture of the defense.


32nd in yards/play.

Pass D

24th in passing yards/game.
Tied 30th in yards/pass attempts.
Tied 20th in passing TDs allowed.
32nd in 20+ yards pass plays allowed.
Tied 31st in 40+ yards pass plays allowed.
32nd in sacks.
19th in passer rating against.

Run D
23rd in rushing yards/game
25th in yards/run
25th in rushing TDs allowed
15th in 20+ yards runs allowed
31st in 40+ yards runs allowed

The whole picture says it's a poor defense. The only positive was our ability to create turnovers.


We can both go thru and pick the stats and rankings that we want to highlight. I'm not arguing that the defense is the great. Just that rankings aren't everything.
KNJ sucks man we don't need continuity for continuity sake. He needs to be replaced, I've seen DC's get hired come in simplify schemes and defenses improve immediately, and that's what we need, he was bad last minute hire and not even our first choice, back to the drawing board
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Not the whole picture of the defense.


32nd in yards/play.

Pass D

24th in passing yards/game.
Tied 30th in yards/pass attempts.
Tied 20th in passing TDs allowed.
32nd in 20+ yards pass plays allowed.
Tied 31st in 40+ yards pass plays allowed.
32nd in sacks.
19th in passer rating against.

Run D
23rd in rushing yards/game
25th in yards/run
25th in rushing TDs allowed
15th in 20+ yards runs allowed
31st in 40+ yards runs allowed

The whole picture says it's a poor defense. The only positive was our ability to create turnovers.


We can both go thru and pick the stats and rankings that we want to highlight. I'm not arguing that the defense is the great. Just that rankings aren't everything.
KNJ sucks man we don't need continuity for continuity sake. He needs to be replaced, I've seen DC's get hired come in simplify schemes and defenses improve immediately, and that's what we need, he was bad last minute hire and not even our first choice, back to the drawing board


Thanks you for your opinion. I respect that and also I disagree.
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DC4_Life


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NightTrainLane wrote:
raidr4life wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Not the whole picture of the defense.


32nd in yards/play.

Pass D

24th in passing yards/game.
Tied 30th in yards/pass attempts.
Tied 20th in passing TDs allowed.
32nd in 20+ yards pass plays allowed.
Tied 31st in 40+ yards pass plays allowed.
32nd in sacks.
19th in passer rating against.

Run D
23rd in rushing yards/game
25th in yards/run
25th in rushing TDs allowed
15th in 20+ yards runs allowed
31st in 40+ yards runs allowed

The whole picture says it's a poor defense. The only positive was our ability to create turnovers.


We can both go thru and pick the stats and rankings that we want to highlight. I'm not arguing that the defense is the great. Just that rankings aren't everything.
KNJ sucks man we don't need continuity for continuity sake. He needs to be replaced, I've seen DC's get hired come in simplify schemes and defenses improve immediately, and that's what we need, he was bad last minute hire and not even our first choice, back to the drawing board


Thanks you for your opinion. I respect that and also I disagree.


I think KNJ stays... Del Rio is a defensive wiz, and hands on the defense, KNJ is a Jack guy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KNJ isn't going anywhere. Hell be given another year, and hopefully the chemistry between staff and players will continue to grow, cant have a bunch of turnover every year. I don't think the defense is as talented as some make it out to be, and an offseason of upgrades will help. We still have a few holes on D, once things are patches up we should be better off.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NightTrainLane wrote:

We can both go thru and pick the stats and rankings that we want to highlight. I'm not arguing that the defense is the great. Just that rankings aren't everything.


I didn't have to pick the stats i wanted to highlight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dante9876 wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Not the whole picture of the defense.


32nd in yards/play.

Pass D

24th in passing yards/game.
Tied 30th in yards/pass attempts.
Tied 20th in passing TDs allowed.
32nd in 20+ yards pass plays allowed.
Tied 31st in 40+ yards pass plays allowed.
32nd in sacks.
19th in passer rating against.

Run D
23rd in rushing yards/game
25th in yards/run
25th in rushing TDs allowed
15th in 20+ yards runs allowed
31st in 40+ yards runs allowed

The whole picture says it's a poor defense. The only positive was our ability to create turnovers.


Let me add that 10 of these games came against teams ranked in the bottom half of the league in offensive yards per game. How is that even possible?
Preach! For the 2 years with him at the helm every single stagnant offense we played against turned into the greatest show on turf against us. Fact! Not opinion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like everyone thinks Wade Phillips is going to be Raiders new DC Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raidr4life wrote:
dante9876 wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
Not the whole picture of the defense.


32nd in yards/play.

Pass D

24th in passing yards/game.
Tied 30th in yards/pass attempts.
Tied 20th in passing TDs allowed.
32nd in 20+ yards pass plays allowed.
Tied 31st in 40+ yards pass plays allowed.
32nd in sacks.
19th in passer rating against.

Run D
23rd in rushing yards/game
25th in yards/run
25th in rushing TDs allowed
15th in 20+ yards runs allowed
31st in 40+ yards runs allowed

The whole picture says it's a poor defense. The only positive was our ability to create turnovers.


Let me add that 10 of these games came against teams ranked in the bottom half of the league in offensive yards per game. How is that even possible?
Preach! For the 2 years with him at the helm every single stagnant offense we played against turned into the greatest show on turf against us. Fact! Not opinion.


In addition, he took over Tarver's less than legendary defense, we added talent and we have become relatively worse in the rankings.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Lance wrote:
Sounds like everyone thinks Wade Phillips is going to be Raiders new DC Shocked


Everyone? I've literally seen nothing that doesn't say Denver wants to keep their defense in tact. And certainly nothing more than speculation tying to the Raiders.

Until otherwise, the Raiders have a DC.

And is JDR going to turnover the defense completely to a guy like Wade? Doubtful. He likes having his hands on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
Chris Lance wrote:
Sounds like everyone thinks Wade Phillips is going to be Raiders new DC Shocked


Everyone? I've literally seen nothing that doesn't say Denver wants to keep their defense in tact. And certainly nothing more than speculation tying to the Raiders.

Until otherwise, the Raiders have a DC.

And is JDR going to turnover the defense completely to a guy like Wade? Doubtful. He likes having his hands on it.



Yeah I've only seen the one twitter post that was pure speculation and connecting the dots.

If you've seen any reputable reports or legit interest from either sides I'd love to see it because I'd love to see it happen but it seems like nothing but speculation at this point.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NightTrainLane wrote:
NightTrainLane wrote:
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I can see us running more one gap with upgrades at those positions. The 2 gap scheme is meant to cover up weaknesses in the middle of the defense.


Rolni wrote:

I disagree here with you.
I think 1 gap and 2 gap schemes are different animals and you don't play 2 gap when you don't have personel for 1 gap. This is not how it goes.


Huh?

.

I missread your comment Smile
My bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaliforniaKid7 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Chris Lance wrote:
Sounds like everyone thinks Wade Phillips is going to be Raiders new DC Shocked


Everyone? I've literally seen nothing that doesn't say Denver wants to keep their defense in tact. And certainly nothing more than speculation tying to the Raiders.

Until otherwise, the Raiders have a DC.

And is JDR going to turnover the defense completely to a guy like Wade? Doubtful. He likes having his hands on it.



Yeah I've only seen the one twitter post that was pure speculation and connecting the dots.

If you've seen any reputable reports or legit interest from either sides I'd love to see it because I'd love to see it happen but it seems like nothing but speculation at this point.


Take it for what it's worth but there's this

http://www.raidersbeat.com/report-raiders-have-reached-out-to-broncos-dc-wade-phillips/

Maybe not a DC but maybe help consult.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdUbs14 wrote:
CaliforniaKid7 wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
Chris Lance wrote:
Sounds like everyone thinks Wade Phillips is going to be Raiders new DC Shocked


Everyone? I've literally seen nothing that doesn't say Denver wants to keep their defense in tact. And certainly nothing more than speculation tying to the Raiders.

Until otherwise, the Raiders have a DC.

And is JDR going to turnover the defense completely to a guy like Wade? Doubtful. He likes having his hands on it.



Yeah I've only seen the one twitter post that was pure speculation and connecting the dots.

If you've seen any reputable reports or legit interest from either sides I'd love to see it because I'd love to see it happen but it seems like nothing but speculation at this point.


Take it for what it's worth but there's this

http://www.raidersbeat.com/report-raiders-have-reached-out-to-broncos-dc-wade-phillips/

Maybe not a DC but maybe help consult.


I choose to believe this simply because I want it.
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