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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeHDruiD wrote:
When did 7th round picks become gold? Just curious


This. I would wait and see what happens with Gordon and if it's bad news he would be worth a late round pick
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the thing with Hill

He went to Georgia Tech and played in their triple option offense, he was as raw as it gets coming out of college because he never had to learn to run routes, but his upside is through the roof. I know Calvin Johnson came from the same system, but he's an anomaly. Why Hill's hands haven't gotten better over the years is beyond me, but the guy has a crazy high ceiling if he can just be coached up. The Jets aren't a team I have a lot of confidence in to develop receiving talent as their passing offense has been about as bad as ours over the last few years

To me and this is my opinion, it doesn't hurt to kick his tires, even if it comes at the cost of a 7th round pick
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeHDruiD wrote:
Here's the thing with Hill

He went to Georgia Tech and played in their triple option offense, he was as raw as it gets coming out of college because he never had to learn to run routes, but his upside is through the roof. I know Calvin Johnson came from the same system, but he's an anomaly. Why Hill's hands haven't gotten better over the years is beyond me, but the guy has a crazy high ceiling if he can just be coached up. The Jets aren't a team I have a lot of confidence in to develop receiving talent as their passing offense has been about as bad as ours over the last few years

To me and this is my opinion, it doesn't hurt to kick his tires, even if it comes at the cost of a 7th round pick


+1. The Browns are in no position to stand pat at WR, so the options are either: veterans with no tread left on the tires, unproven rookies who can't hack it on their current teams, or busts. No one the Browns can add is going to be perfect, but unless a surprise rookie is cut that the Browns can snatch up, Hill provides one of the best opportunities at a (hopefully) very low price.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeHDruiD wrote:
When did 7th round picks become gold? Just curious


They are not gold.
But a receiver that cant catch is worth less than a 7th round pick, i thought we learned the lesson with Little.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Browns1987 wrote:
TeHDruiD wrote:
When did 7th round picks become gold? Just curious


They are not gold.
But a receiver that cant catch is worth less than a 7th round pick, i thought we learned the lesson with Little.


If we had drafted Little with a 7th and not a 2nd, would you still care this much? Hill>Little based on athletic ability.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeHDruiD wrote:
Here's the thing with Hill

He went to Georgia Tech and played in their triple option offense, he was as raw as it gets coming out of college because he never had to learn to run routes, but his upside is through the roof. I know Calvin Johnson came from the same system, but he's an anomaly. Why Hill's hands haven't gotten better over the years is beyond me, but the guy has a crazy high ceiling if he can just be coached up. The Jets aren't a team I have a lot of confidence in to develop receiving talent as their passing offense has been about as bad as ours over the last few years

To me and this is my opinion, it doesn't hurt to kick his tires, even if it comes at the cost of a 7th round pick
except Calvin didnt come from the same system......he was in a pro system, Demayius Thomas would be a better example for coming from the triple option to a productive NFL receiver , and while he's good, how much is because he plays with Peyton???

Pass on Hill dudes horrible
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BwickBrownie wrote:
Browns1987 wrote:
TeHDruiD wrote:
When did 7th round picks become gold? Just curious


They are not gold.
But a receiver that cant catch is worth less than a 7th round pick, i thought we learned the lesson with Little.


If we had drafted Little with a 7th and not a 2nd, would you still care this much? Hill>Little based on athletic ability.


Yeah i would, because a receiver that cant catch is useless.
A 7th has a small chance that will be useful like with Armonty now.

I rather keep that small chance.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeHDruiD wrote:
When did 7th round picks become gold? Just curious


Since Armonty Bryant Cool

Jets have no-one and cut this guy, he's probably a case of addition by subtraction, like Little.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Browns1987 wrote:
BwickBrownie wrote:
Browns1987 wrote:
TeHDruiD wrote:
When did 7th round picks become gold? Just curious


They are not gold.
But a receiver that cant catch is worth less than a 7th round pick, i thought we learned the lesson with Little.


If we had drafted Little with a 7th and not a 2nd, would you still care this much? Hill>Little based on athletic ability.


Yeah i would, because a receiver that cant catch is useless.
A 7th has a small chance that will be useful like with Armonty now.

I rather keep that small chance.


For every Armonty Bryant you'll hang your hat on, I'll bring up:
2012:
Trevin Wade (cut August 27, 2013)
Brad Smelley (cut September 1, 2013)

2011:
Eric Hagg (cut May 21, 2013)

Also, the Browns didn't even own a 7th rounder in 2014, 2010,2009, to give you an idea of how valuable of an asset they are.

7th round picks are viewed as a crap shoot, and exceptions like Bryant prove the rule. There's as much of a chance that Hill realizes his potential in a new system and a change of scenery as there is hitting on a 7th rounder, and at least we can utilize that 7th round pick now when we could really use it to try to add to the WR group, than have to wait until May.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say no to Hill, but given the league's BS ruling on Gordon (I may have well put my last dollar to anything NFL-related for this fiscal year at least) - I'd be calling SF and finding out what their feeling on Crabtree is.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StewieRules wrote:
I'd say no to Hill, but given the league's BS ruling on Gordon (I may have well put my last dollar to anything NFL-related for this fiscal year at least) - I'd be calling SF and finding out what their feeling on Crabtree is.


My guess would be that they have no desire to trade him.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
StewieRules wrote:
I'd say no to Hill, but given the league's BS ruling on Gordon (I may have well put my last dollar to anything NFL-related for this fiscal year at least) - I'd be calling SF and finding out what their feeling on Crabtree is.


My guess would be that they have no desire to trade him.


Last I heard they were working on extending him. \_(ツ)_/
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ditchdigger wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
StewieRules wrote:
I'd say no to Hill, but given the league's BS ruling on Gordon (I may have well put my last dollar to anything NFL-related for this fiscal year at least) - I'd be calling SF and finding out what their feeling on Crabtree is.


My guess would be that they have no desire to trade him.


Last I heard they were working on extending him. \_(ツ)_/


What about that Calvin Johnson guy? Maybe we could gauge Detroit's feelings on trading him? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now I'd give one of our fourths for that UDFA WR from Jax
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zelbell wrote:
TeHDruiD wrote:
Here's the thing with Hill

He went to Georgia Tech and played in their triple option offense, he was as raw as it gets coming out of college because he never had to learn to run routes, but his upside is through the roof. I know Calvin Johnson came from the same system, but he's an anomaly. Why Hill's hands haven't gotten better over the years is beyond me, but the guy has a crazy high ceiling if he can just be coached up. The Jets aren't a team I have a lot of confidence in to develop receiving talent as their passing offense has been about as bad as ours over the last few years

To me and this is my opinion, it doesn't hurt to kick his tires, even if it comes at the cost of a 7th round pick
except Calvin didnt come from the same system......he was in a pro system, Demayius Thomas would be a better example for coming from the triple option to a productive NFL receiver , and while he's good, how much is because he plays with Peyton???

Pass on Hill dudes horrible


Yep I hate when people say that-

As for hill I would just wait, if he wants to play then we should be the team he would choose anyways, lets be honest Cleveland is the roster that would be easiest to make as a wideout Evil or Very Mad

A 7th round pick is not much, but could be used to trade up in a package to get a guy we covet in the draft. And IMO I would rather have that flexibility then hill if I had to choose... If he is cut I would give him a call, but would not give anything up to get him.
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