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MOSteelers56


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject: Ben's MVP Chances Reply with quote

If we beat Cinci next week and Ben plays really well(maybe hitting 5k yards) what do you think Ben's chances are to win an MVP this year?

If not Ben, then who?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaron Rodgers.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wwhickok wrote:
Aaron Rodgers.

I made this thread without looking into it. I thought there was an AFC and NFL MVP.

Sounds like me, first time making a thread in here in what seems like years and it sucks Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOSteelers56 wrote:
wwhickok wrote:
Aaron Rodgers.

I made this thread without looking into it. I thought there was an AFC and NFL MVP.

Sounds like me, first time making a thread in here in what seems like years and it sucks Laughing


Brady record more hype.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben would have to dominate statistically to even have a shot. He's not even in the national conversation.

I still don't understand why Aaron Rodgers is considered a lock or even the favorite right now. Yea, he's had a great year. But you can't tell me he's more valuable to his team than some other top QB's, and his statistical output isn't that much better than a lot of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CKSteeler wrote:
Ben would have to dominate statistically to even have a shot. He's not even in the national conversation.

I still don't understand why Aaron Rodgers is considered a lock or even the favorite right now. Yea, he's had a great year. But you can't tell me he's more valuable to his team than some other top QB's, and his statistical output isn't that much better than a lot of them.


I agree he isnt head and shoulders above the rest, but he does definitely have a case.

Honestly, while I think Ben is top 5, Id probably give it to Tony Romo....but I dont think he wins it.

Alot of great QB play this year.

I think either Rodgers or Brady gets it. Manning's play over the last few weeks has killed his chances.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

right now i would have ben like 4th behind rogers, brady, and watt
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why Gronkowski doesn't get mentioned among the non-QB players. All the praise goes to Brady, but it was his return that allowed Brady to shine. People want to act like Brady just flipped some magic switch, though, and it wasn't his insanely freakish goon of a TE returning to form that made the difference in his performance. That's not an insult to Brady, just a legit question.

If we are taking the valuable part of it into the equation, I think Gronk has more of a case than Watt (who is the best DL I've seen since Reggie White).
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a good chance that there might be three Steelers finishing in the top ten in voting.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1BackInBlackFan wrote:
There's a good chance that there might be three Steelers finishing in the top ten in voting.


Sadly, AB may get more votes than Ben, and that's not a knock on AB, but I've never been a fan of WRs as MVP candidates. Sure, Ben's year wouldn't be as good without AB, but who do you think would be effected more without the other.

Put Ben on the Jags, and he still has an ok year...put AB on the Jags, and he doesn't get 500 yds, IMO.

I love me some AB, I really do, and think he's a top 3-5 WR in the league, but to me, Ben's been more valuable to our success than AB.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bell is team MVP and rightly so. Ben hasn't have a chance at MVP with Rodgers, and Brady having big years as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like Rodgers, Ben, and Romo may have been the best QBs in the NFL this year. And I feel like their team success has more to do with them than Brady/Manning's do. While Manning fell off the face of the planet the last few weeks, he still has one of the best teams around him that he's ever had with elite players on D and great players on O as well. And the Pats have a pretty good team around Brady, too.

The Packers, Cowboys, and Steelers are all playing with god awful defenses and pretty much only going to win games with good offensive play. And you know what else the Packers, Cowboys, and Steelers have in common? They've all had balanced contributions from the offense, with great performances by the RB and QB.

So I really feel like those three guys had the best and most valuable years of any of the other QBs. But knowing the fanboyism, Andrew Luck will probably win with his 0 for all of them record against every good QB he's played against this year. BUT HE GOT HIS STATS RIGHT
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Curtain wrote:
I feel like Rodgers, Ben, and Romo may have been the best QBs in the NFL this year. And I feel like their team success has more to do with them than Brady/Manning's do. While Manning fell off the face of the planet the last few weeks, he still has one of the best teams around him that he's ever had with elite players on D and great players on O as well. And the Pats have a pretty good team around Brady, too.


Romo and Bens team success also has an awful lot to do with Murray and Bell.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I pointed out that all three guys I mentioned have had the benefit of good RBs. Doesn't change the fact that both QBs had great years, and their defenses are pitiful.
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JDLefebvre wrote:
The Curtain wrote:
I feel like Rodgers, Ben, and Romo may have been the best QBs in the NFL this year. And I feel like their team success has more to do with them than Brady/Manning's do. While Manning fell off the face of the planet the last few weeks, he still has one of the best teams around him that he's ever had with elite players on D and great players on O as well. And the Pats have a pretty good team around Brady, too.


Romo and Bens team success also has an awful lot to do with Murray and Bell.


Thats the way i feel about it. Love Ben, but he has some stiff competition on his own team for who the MVP was this year in Brown and Bell.

Romo has his best season the year they have a great offensive line and a top 2 back with an emphasis on the running game. I cant see Romo getting it.

Without Rodgers the packers are an eh team. He is the best passer in the game.

Rodgers #1, Brady a close #2 is how i would view the MVP.
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